Catholics CAN'T Answer This Question!!!

[Phil 1:21]

The Bible is not self interpreting .

Actually much of it is. Bible verses are not stand alone snippets. They are part of a chapter, book, testament, Bible. If one reads and studies the entire Bible this becomes evident. I’m truly not trying to be rude, but I would suggest laying off the RCC blogs and spending time in the actual word of God. You may be pleasantly surprised. I know I was.

You will read into scripture/interpret scripture what you think is right . You are a man who will interpret scripture to suit your own beliefs . You your own Pope .

I’m glad I didn’t pay $4.99 a minute for that. You didn’t even tell me where I lost my car keys. Pfft.

You see there has to be consistency in truth there can be only one right answer to any one truth .

Agreed, and scripture is clear: no purgatory.

 

[Phil 1:21]

The Holy Spirit does not lead to confusion in which 55000 contradict each other claiming the Holy Spirit lead the into their interpretation of scripture .

Could you provide a list of those 55k and in what ways they contradict each other? Or are you just making things up now?

 

[Major1]

There are other things I have share in scripture which scripture says saves us as well . This person was Baptized as well which saves him .1 Peter 3:21" baptism now saves you ". It is not a meaningless ritual . It also saves us and does something .

Acts 22:16 it washes your sins away. Tim 1 Cor 6:11 you were washed , sanctified ,justified. Tit 3:5 Jesus saved us through bath of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit .

The Holy Spirit does not lead to confusion in which 55000 contradict each other claiming the Holy Spirit lead the into their interpretation of scripture . You claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit but you are in denial if you think you alone have the only true interpretation . If " scripture alone" worked there would be only one Protestant church . Luther would have gotten it right got it right the first time around . But like he said " instead or getting one pope I created 10. Now it is 55000 + the millions more who claim this infallibility. You in fact create your own doctrine . Read the definition of doctrine .

I am pleased to see you quote Scripture as it allow me the opportunity to correctly do the exegesis of said Scriptures.

1 Peter 3:21.............
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

You are using this verse to say that baptism is required for salvation. Is it?
A thorough look at the passage demonstrates that 1 Peter 3:21 does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation. The correct understanding is that it uses water baptism as an illustration of salvation. In the verses surrounding verse 21, Peter used Noah's ark as a similar example. The verse itself shows that it is not the act of baptism that saves but the "appeal to God for a good conscience" that baptism represents. Baptism is an expression of one's faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. It is Christ who saves; baptism is a signifier of that reality.

The thief on the cross next to Jesus accepted Christ but he died on his cross. Jesus said that TODAY he would be in Paradise with Christ. Do you think that the Romans took him down and baptized him or do you think that God lied?????

You said that Acts 22:16 it washes your sins away.............
What do the words "wash away thy sins" mean? Do they teach that water baptism brings salvation?

Answer: No. Because Paul was already cleansed spiritually. Water baptism is an outward picture expressing God's inner work of washing away sin.

The Bible says that ......
"But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

The Bible also so says that our sins can only be cleansed by the SHED BLOOD OF JESUS my friend, not a dip in the pool.

Then you use Titus 3:5 ..........
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost".

Surely you can not believe that that verse is telling you that you must be baptized in water to be saved. The washing of rebirth can only be that washing of the blood of Christ that cleanses us. It is not the symbol that saves but the reality. The reality is the blood of Christ.

If I can be of any help with any Scriptures, please post what is a concern for you and I will be glad to help you.





https://www.bible.com/bible/1/TIT.3.5.kjv

 

[Major1]

Reread my past posts on purgatory .

Why would anyone need to do that? There is NO such thing or place or process!

YOU wanting and needing to believe in RCC dogma does not make it reality.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Surely you can not believe that that verse is telling you that you must be baptized in water to be saved.

I can't tell you what the RCC teaches today (their pope states even atheists may go to heaven) but when I was raised that is exactly what we were taught. I still remember being in first grade and being taught how to perform an emergency baptism with orange juice to save a dying person from eternal damnation.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Again with that "Trinity" argument. I know it's a favorite, but there isn't a single person here who has argued against Purgatory on account of the absence from Scripture of the word itself. On the contrary, we have said--repeatedly--that the concept, the idea, is not to be found there.

Well there was the guy, in this very thread, who DID offer to provide some Crispy Creme donuts if the word could be found.

 

[chevyontheriver]

How very sad. My dear friend, you are welcome to believe as you wish but the real truth here is that there has not been ONE Single verse put down to validate Purgatory....NOT ONE!

There can never be one because there are NONE.

Sounds like you have decided there is no Scriptural basis for purgatory and thus you will not see it. It is a backwards sort of reasoning, deciding first, then being unable to see. Not very Berean.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think the title is wrong.
Is there really, honestly now, a question ?
Let alone one that can't be answered ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Whenever an Apostle or an angel of light or a televangelist or anyone comes with a word/ a message/ and says it is true, what is the requirement of YHWH to meet BEFORE believing them?

p.s. : the "one" requirement. Just one.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I think the title is wrong.
Is there really, honestly now, a question ?
Let alone one that can't be answered ?

No. It's the same old same old.

 

[Major1]

Sounds like you have decided there is no Scriptural basis for purgatory and thus you will not see it. It is a backwards sort of reasoning, deciding first, then being unable to see. Not very Berean.

LOL! I have not decided anything at all, and actually it is exactly what a Berean would do.

I am saying flat out that there is NO such thing in the Scriptures as Purgatory.
I do not come to that conclusion by reasoning or deciding or making an opinion. I do it because I have read the Bible and it is not there!

Not only is it not in the Scriptures there is not even a suggestion or hint of such a place or action.

It is totally a made up dogma by the RCC which they incorporated from Greeks like Plato.

PLEASE do not believe me. Do the work! Do the study! Put your computer browser search engine to work. Go to a library and look this stuff up and do not take my word for it.

 

[Major1]

Whenever an Apostle or an angel of light or a televangelist or anyone comes with a word/ a message/ and says it is true, what is the requirement of YHWH to meet BEFORE believing them?

p.s. : the "one" requirement. Just one.

Oh, oh oh oh oh...teacher I know this one!!

 

[Major1]

Well there was the guy, in this very thread, who DID offer to provide some Crispy Creme donuts if the word could be found.

And where is that WORD found in the 66 books of the KJV Bible!

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

I am pleased to see you quote Scripture as it allow me the opportunity to correctly do the exegesis of said Scriptures.

1 Peter 3:21.............
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

You are using this verse to say that baptism is required for salvation. Is it?
A thorough look at the passage demonstrates that 1 Peter 3:21 does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation. The correct understanding is that it uses water baptism as an illustration of salvation. In the verses surrounding verse 21, Peter used Noah's ark as a similar example. The verse itself shows that it is not the act of baptism that saves but the "appeal to God for a good conscience" that baptism represents. Baptism is an expression of one's faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. It is Christ who saves; baptism is a signifier of that reality.

The thief on the cross next to Jesus accepted Christ but he died on his cross. Jesus said that TODAY he would be in Paradise with Christ. Do you think that the Romans took him down and baptized him or do you think that God lied?????

You said that Acts 22:16 it washes your sins away.............
What do the words "wash away thy sins" mean? Do they teach that water baptism brings salvation?

Answer: No. Because Paul was already cleansed spiritually. Water baptism is an outward picture expressing God's inner work of washing away sin.

The Bible says that ......
"But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

The Bible also so says that our sins can only be cleansed by the SHED BLOOD OF JESUS my friend, not a dip in the pool.

Then you use Titus 3:5 ..........
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost".

Surely you can not believe that that verse is telling you that you must be baptized in water to be saved. The washing of rebirth can only be that washing of the blood of Christ that cleanses us. It is not the symbol that saves but the reality. The reality is the blood of Christ.

If I can be of any help with any Scriptures, please post what is a concern for you and I will be glad to help you.

Why do it, if it is only symbolic.

1 Peter 3:21 " Baptism.. now saves you "

Acts 2:37-39 " " Peter said repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit .

Baptism does do what it claims to do , it is not optional or symbolic . The thief on the cross is the exception not the rule or norm, for salvation, which the Catholic Church allows under unusual circumstances .

Mathew 28;18-20 " all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father , the Son and Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.

Scripture also says;

Mt 7:21 "not all those who say lord lord will enter heaven but only those who do the will of my Father"

Phil 2:12-13 " work out your salvation in fear and trembling "

Mt 19:16-17 to have life keep the commandments

Romans 2:4-8 " do you not know that Gods kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But by your hard heart and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself when Gods righteous judgement will be revealed . For he will render to every man according to his works;to those by patience in well doing seek glory and honor and immortality and for those who are factious and do not obey the truth , but obey wickedness ,there will be wrath and fury to those who disobey the truth"

2 James:14-24 " " what good is it my brothers if someone says he has faith but does not have works.can that faith save him?if a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day and one of you says 'go in peace ,keep warm and eat well' but you do not give them the necessities of the body what good is it. so also faith of itself if it does not have works is dead.Indeed someone might say you have faith and I have works and I will demonstrate my faith to to you from my works. Yu believe God is one You do well . Even demons believe that and tremble . do you want proof you ignoramus that faith without works is useless . Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Issac apon the altar. You see that faith was active along with his works and faith competed by the works.Thus scripture was fulfilled that says Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. and he was called a friend of God. ee how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone ,And in the same way the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route . Just as a body without a spirit is dead , so also faith without works is dead "

Rom 2:2-8- eternal life by good works

Eph 2:8-10- we are created in Christ for good works

Gal 5:4-Nothing counts but faith working through love

The Catholic Church teaches that Faith, works and Grace work together as scripture says . We are saved by all three equally . Salvation is like a 3 legged stool take one away it falls down . Now where in scripture does it say you are " saved by faith ALONE ". such a statement is not in scripture .

 

[Antig]

Seems to me that those on here who reject scriptural evidence for Catholic beliefs like to pick and choose scripture to suit their own personal beliefs. Evidence has been given but as expected, they refuse to see it or believe it. No surprise there!

They try very hard to tell us Catholics that we are wrong. They write post after post. They are madly typing on their computers trying to dissuade us from our beliefs, the truth. You can see that it really annoys them that we are so strong in our beliefs.

We love Our church. We believe in our church. The very church that Jesus founded.

It's as if they are envious of us. They can see the love we have for our church and it's doctrines and that hurts them.

We can see scriptural evidence for Catholic doctrine but they refuse to see it. Yes! They can see it, but, they refuse to see it! That is a fact!

I am so glad to be a Catholic. I thank God for these forums for bringing me closer to my faith.

I really feel sorry for those that make fun of Catholic doctrine.

Blessings to you all

 

[chevyontheriver]

I am saying flat out that there is NO such thing in the Scriptures as Purgatory.

Not that you would ever allow yourself to see it in front of you. Your tradition tells you not to believe in it and you don't.

PLEASE do not believe me.

I don't. I've spent the time to understand it.

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Not that you would ever allow yourself to see it in front of you. Your tradition tells you not to believe in it and you don't.
I don't. I've spent the time to understand it.

Re look at my previous post on Purgatory .I thought I did a good job on proving it .Brake down my argument then .

 

[chevyontheriver]

Seems to me that those on here who reject scriptural evidence for Catholic beliefs like to pick and choose scripture to suit their own personal beliefs. Evidence has been given but as expected, they refuse to see it or believe it. No surprise there!

You can't see what you absolutely refuse to believe.

They try very hard to tell us Catholics that we are wrong. They write post after post. They are madly typing on their computers trying to dissuade us from our beliefs, the truth. You can see that it really annoys them that we are so strong in our beliefs.

I think it is very annoying for them. Especially that we claim Scriptural support for purgatory. To their minds such a thing is too crazy to be possible. So for them it's simply just not possible. Like a square circle or something. Anybody can believe anything based on what they think Scripture says, but let an uppity Catholic dare to use Scripture to come to a conclusion other than theirs and it is of course all wrong. And we have to be put in our places.

 

[chevyontheriver]

And where is that WORD found in the 66 books of the KJV Bible!

I rest my case.

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Seems to me that those on here who reject scriptural evidence for Catholic beliefs like to pick and choose scripture to suit their own personal beliefs. Evidence has been given but as expected, they refuse to see it or believe it. No surprise there!

They try very hard to tell us Catholics that we are wrong. They write post after post. They are madly typing on their computers trying to dissuade us from our beliefs, the truth. You can see that it really annoys them that we are so strong in our beliefs.

We love Our church. We believe in our church. The very church that Jesus founded.

It's as if they are envious of us. They can see the love we have for our church and it's doctrines and that hurts them.

We can see scriptural evidence for Catholic doctrine but they refuse to see it. Yes! They can see it, but, they refuse to see it! That is a fact!

I am so glad to be a Catholic. I thank God for these forums for bringing me closer to my faith.

I really feel sorry for those that make fun of Catholic doctrine.

Blessings to you all

Even when you give a good argument it is rejected and passed off instead of being refuted . I am doing this so someone will see that we do have a good argument and may change their mind or take a second look . They hate the Catholic Church , I love them .