Catholic?

[Major1]

You still interpret scripture to mean something that fits your very own opinions. You see things differently, so Catholics must be wrong in your eyes.

I am so very sorry that you believe that.

I work hard to be a student of Sola Scriptura and IMO that is not what Catholic believers operate and understand.

Therefore, when you or any Catholic read what we say it will sound different to what you have been taught as a Catholic. That does not mean we are interpreting Scriptures to fit what we want them to say. It just means that you have not heard what we are telling you those Scriptures say.

Then yes, in many instances we think that you are wrong when what you think are compared to the Scriptures.

Example:
You as a Catholic believe in a process or a place called Purgatory.

I am telling you in a peaceful loving and Christian way......
there are NO Scriptures in the KJV Bible that the word Purgatory is found or mentioned or even suggested.

If that angers you or makes you think that I am interpreting Scriptures incorrectly, then please post any Scripture that contains the word Purgatory or a process or a place where it takes place.

If you believe in Purgatory, you are doing it because a MAN has told you that because God certainly has not written it in His Word.

Again, I do not mean to be argumentative or uncivil to you in any way whatsoever, I just do not know how to say what I just said in a more politically acceptable way.

 

[Lost4words]

I am so very sorry that you believe that.

I work hard to be a student of Sola Scriptura and IMO that is not what Catholic believers operate and understand.

Therefore, when you or any Catholic read what we say it will sound different to what you have been taught as a Catholic. That does not mean we are interpreting Scriptures to fit what we want them to say. It just means that you have not heard what we are telling you those Scriptures say.

Then yes, in many instances we think that you are wrong when what you think are compared to the Scriptures.

Example:
You as a Catholic believe in a process or a place called Purgatory.

I am telling you in a peaceful loving and Christian way......
there are NO Scriptures in the KJV Bible that the word Purgatory is found or mentioned or even suggested.

If that angers you or makes you think that I am interpreting Scriptures incorrectly, then please post any Scripture that contains the word Purgatory or a process or a place where it takes place.

If you believe in Purgatory, you are doing it because a MAN has told you that because God certainly has not written it in His Word.

Again, I do not mean to be argumentative or uncivil to you in any way whatsoever, I just do not know how to say what I just said in a more politically acceptable way.

Can you post from scripture, the word 'Trinity'?

Or the words 'Sola Scripture'

 

[Radagast]

Actually the Greek would literally be translated as “one-woman man.”

Isn't that exactly what I said?

 

[prodromos]

Isn't that exactly what I said?

I often get the impression that he doesn't actually read posts. He gets an impression from glancing at them and responds to what he perceives (incorrectly) you are saying.
Again, that's just the impression I get.

 

[Anthony Edgar]

I can not agree with your comment. Oh, I agree that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth, BUT not like YOU are wanting it to say because that verse is NOT speaking of Roman Catholic Church.

Which Church is it talking about then?

First of all, it would be one thing to use that Scripture to generically claim “the church” as a source of authority or truth on earth. Catholic apologists, however, frequently point to this passage and extract concepts such as an inerrant magisterium, an infallible Pope, and so forth. The scope of the verse in no way supports that kind of overreach. This is particularly true in light of what Paul and the rest of the New Testament says about the church and truth.

Your fundamental problem is that you’ve got history back-to-front: The Bible came from the Church - the Church didn’t come from the Bible.

 

[Anthony Edgar]

The erasing of hell.

The Catholic Church has erased the doctrine of hell? News to me.

The idea that there are “many paths to God.

Which Catholic doctrine is that?

 

[Anthony Edgar]

STUDY to show thy self approved!

Assuming that full immersion in water is required, can a person be baptised in a swimming pool or a tank of water or a bath tub or the ocean?.

 

[Anthony Edgar]

All of your comments are opinions. All I have posted is historical facts.

Can you post anything to validate your opinions?

Does your church have an unbroken history that can be traced all the way back to the apostles?

What is your church called?

 

[Anthony Edgar]

Can you post from scripture, the word 'Trinity'?

Or the words 'Sola Scripture'

Or "Rapture".

 

[ralfyman]

I don't believe they were.

What, then, were the bases for selecting the Gospels, letters, etc? Might articles like this help?

 

[Radagast]

What, then, were the bases for selecting the Gospels, letters, etc? Might articles like this help?

That article endorses exactly what I've been saying: that canonicity was based on apostolicity (at least in a broad sense, with Mark’s gospel being based on Peter’s teaching).

 

[ralfyman]

That article endorses exactly what I've been saying: that canonicity was based on apostolicity (at least in a broad sense, with Mark’s gospel being based on Peter’s teaching).

That's one of the two criteria mentioned in the article.

 

[Radagast]

That's one of the two criteria mentioned in the article.

I think you've misread the article.

 

[ralfyman]

I think you've misread the article.

Search for the word "criteria" in the article.

 

[Anthony Edgar]

A widower is still the husband of one wife.

So if he remarries he becomes polygamist?

 

[concretecamper]

Can you post from scripture, the word 'Trinity'?

Or the words 'Sola Scripture'

@Major1
We are all waiting

 

[prodromos]

So if he remarries he becomes polygamist?

Technically, yes. He is no longer the husband of one wife. We usually use the term "polygamy" to refer to those with more than one living spouse, but it is not limited to that meaning.

 

[Major1]

@Major1
We are all waiting

That is nothing more than a "smoke screen question", but I am happy to answer the question for you.

Everyone knows that the Word Trinity and in fact the word Rapture is not in the scriptures.
I am sure that you are aware of that fact.

That is simple a question that all Catholic believers are taught to use when talking about "Sola Scriptura".

First of all, it is illogical to claim that since the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible that its concept is not taught therein. This kind of objection usually demonstrates a prejudice against the teaching of the Trinity. Instead, the person should look to God's word to see if it is taught or not.

Second, there are many biblical concepts that people believe in that don't have a specific word describing them used in the Bible. For example, the word "bible" is not found in the Bible, but we use it anyway to describe the Bible. Likewise, the words...….
"omniscience," which means "all knowing,"
"omnipotence," which means "all powerful,"
and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are words not found in the Bible either, but we use them to describe the attributes of God. We don't have to see a specific word in the Bible in order for the concept it describes to be true.

Following are other words that the Bible does not use but the concepts are mentioned.

• Atheism is the teaching that there is no God. "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1).
• Divinity which means divine quality or godlike character. Yet, we speak of the godlike quality of the Lord God. See Psalm 139.
• Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14).
• Monotheism is the teaching that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:8).
• Rapture is the teaching that the Christians who are alive when Jesus returns will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-18).

So, to say that the Trinity isn't true because the word isn't in the Bible is an invalid argument. Furthermore, to say that if God wanted us to believe in the Trinity He would have clearly taught it in scripture, is also an invalid argument.

Something does not have to be clearly formulated in the Bible to be valid. Not all things taught in the Bible are perfectly clear. Take a look at the book of Revelation. It contains many things that are cryptic that must be interpreted after examining all of the Bible. Even then, there are disagreements as to what some things mean. Yet, we know that the truths there are true whether or not we discover them.
How can you believe in the Trinity if the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible? | CARM.org

I hope this answers your question. If not maybe you could ask someone else to explain better for you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Don't do it. No it's not ok to pray to saints or Mary. Jesus founded the church.

There’s nothing wrong with prayers for intercession and supplication. Only prayers of worship are forbidden to anyone other than God. We are encouraged to pray for one another and ask for prayers from others.

 

[Major1]

Which Church is it talking about then?


Your fundamental problem is that you’ve got history back-to-front: The Bible came from the Church - the Church didn’t come from the Bible.

NOPE!

The real fundamental problem is that you do not read and grasp the words of Scripture.

Ephesians 1:22 clearly says.........….
"And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church".

1 Corth. 4:6 says...……….
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other."

The Bible tells us to obey the Word of God - to not go beyond the written Word.

Unfortunately, the problem with an elevated status of Roman Catholic church tradition is that it results in various justifications of its non-biblical teachings such as prayer to Mary, purgatory, indulgences, penance, works of righteousness, etc. Because it has deviated from trusting God's Word alone, it has ventured into unscriptural areas. Nevertheless, did the Roman Catholic Church give us the Bible?

No, it did not.

First of all, the Roman Catholic Church was not really around as an organization in the first couple hundred years of the Christian Church. The Christian church was under persecution, and official church gatherings were very risky in the Roman Empire due to the persecution.

Second, the Christian Church recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it. This is a very important point. The Christian Church recognizes what God has inspired and pronounces that recognition. In other words, it discovers what is already authentic.

Third, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament which is the Scripture to which Christ and the apostles appealed. If the Roman Catholic Church wants to state that it gave us the Bible, then how can they rightfully claim to have given us the Old Testament which is part of the Bible? It didn't, so it cannot make that claim. The fact is that the followers of God, the true followers of God, recognize what is and is not inspired.
Did the Roman Catholic church give us our Bible? | CARM.org