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The Catholic Church does not claim that "all the Church's teachings are biblical". What we say is that Catholic teaching is the teaching of Christ. And what we mean by that is that all of the things that the Catholic Churches teaches as truth is in fact truth revealed by God in Christ. And what we mean by revealed by God in Christ is that Jesus said or showed in his words and deeds everything that God wants the faithful to know and to believe. Thus the teaching of the Apostles, in writing and in deeds and words not written, is the teaching of Christ and hence the teaching of the Catholic Church. We're not restricted to what's written in sacred scripture but we receive sacred scripture as inspired revelation from God and we seek to speak according to scripture and apostolic tradition. We're not sola-scripturaists and have no intention of pretending to be.So why the Catholic preoccupation with making the claim that all of the Catholic church's teachings are biblical? It would seem to me that if you and church think that doctrines can come from outside of scripture then it should not matter if they can be defended with scripture, right?
Good for youha that's a good one. I don't care though I'm keeping it
Awww now come on now.I did? Are you a mind reader now?
I never said or would say any such thing.
Looks like I ruffled your feathers a bit huh?
Lets be fair and honest with eachother?
Thanks.
There is no substitute for the word of God, it is just not safe.The Catholic Church does not claim that "all the Church's teachings are biblical". What we say is that Catholic teaching is the teaching of Christ. And what we mean by that is that all of the things that the Catholic Churches teaches as truth is in fact truth revealed by God in Christ. And what we mean by revealed by God in Christ is that Jesus said or showed in his words and deeds everything that God wants the faithful to know and to believe. Thus the teaching of the Apostles, in writing and in deeds and words not written, is the teaching of Christ and hence the teaching of the Catholic Church. We're not restricted to what's written in sacred scripture but we receive sacred scripture as inspired revelation from God and we seek to speak according to scripture and apostolic tradition. We're not sola-scripturaists and have no intention of pretending to be.
ha that's a good one. I don't care though I'm keeping it
But since we're talking things not expressly commanded in Scripture as though they are in and of themselves a problem, perhaps we could start with the Bible itself. I've yet to actually see anywhere in Scripture that teaches
A) A definitive biblical canon and where that canon is itself defined
B) That we are restricted only to the use of Scripture as defined by such a canon.
You mean this?Am I to assume that Nuns have now been accepted as biblical by the OP? I didn't get a single response to Numbers chapter 30. Has anyone bothered to read it?
These are the statutes which the Lord commanded Moses, as between a man and his wife, and as between a father and his daughter, while she is in her youth in her fathers house.
The Catholic Church does not claim that "all the Church's teachings are biblical".
What we say is that Catholic teaching is the teaching of Christ. And what we mean by that is that all of the things that the Catholic Churches teaches as truth is in fact truth revealed by God in Christ. And what we mean by revealed by God in Christ is that Jesus said or showed in his words and deeds everything that God wants the faithful to know and to believe. Thus the teaching of the Apostles, in writing and in deeds and words not written, is the teaching of Christ and hence the teaching of the Catholic Church. We're not restricted to what's written in sacred scripture but we receive sacred scripture as inspired revelation from God and we seek to speak according to scripture and apostolic tradition. We're not sola-scripturaists and have no intention of pretending to be.
Great point. I agree.So why participate in this thread? The OP states that a Catholic was going to defend Catholic doctrines biblically. Seems like a waste of time if the doctrines are not in fact biblical, don't you think?
There is no substitute for the word of God, it is just not safe.
For those of you who do not agree with sola scriptura, consider the Bereans in Acts 17:11. They checked the scripture to see what Paul was teaching was true. Why should we do less?
An apostle teaching them was tested by God's word. But it's ok to believe a pope and church councils over an apostle?
And if they take all to the word as the Bereans did, I agree. If they take it to human wisdom and ideas, I reject it.Read Titus 1:7-9
For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.
That is what the Church Councils are, Bishops sticking to what they have been taught...being of sound judgement, the Bishops meet to maintain the principles of orthodox christianity.
If it were not for the Church Councils, who knows, we could all be Nestorians right now.
And if they take all to the word as the Bereans did, I agree. If they take it to human wisdom and ideas, I reject it.
You?
And if they take all to the word as the Bereans did, I agree. If they take it to human wisdom and ideas, I reject it.
You?
It is probably an english form of the greek word #976.the word Bible isn't in the Bible, so the Bible is unbiblical
"...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).
I agree, however scripture is not a matter of ones own interpretation. this is why sola scriptura is important.Scripture says that a bishop should hold "fast the faithful word as he has been taught" (Titus 1:9); so I suppose it is relative to how he has been taught the word.
that's probably how he will, not necessarily how he should.If Apostle X, taught Bishop Y to interpret Scripture a certain way, then that is how he should interpret it.
Did you read the quote I posted on Ignatius? He was sola scriptura.Holding to the way he was taught. Same with unwritten word...if John the Apostle taught Ignatius unwritten word, than Ignatius should hold to that unwritten word and pass it down to his own students.
Did you read the quote I posted on Ignatius? He was sola scriptura.
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