Catholic Teachings.... Backed by Scripture??

[JRO116]

Great post alot of good info

 

[SwordoftheLord]

I'll be back tomorrow also. I'm working a 16 hour shift so I haven't been on much.

 

[prodromos]

Have there ever been any Nuns on CF? It appears a lot of them are pretty smart.

Many of the nuns at a convent near Ormylia in Greece are highly educated. Most of the nuns we met had university degrees. At least one was a doctor.

 

[Erose]

"Consistent with?"

Is that supposed to mean "not addressed at all in the Bible but allegedly not in direct conflict with it?"

The question then becomes this: Is it correct to invent doctrines using as the justification for doing so the idea that if it's not in the Bible, "anything goes?"

You mean like Sola Scriptura perhaps?

 

[Erose]

Assumption of Mary



If Mary was 100 when she was assumed -- then... maybe post Bible.

But as it is - it appears to be without Bible support.

in Christ,

Bob

The Bible does not record everything that occurred during that period, it is a collection of inspired writings not a Summa, nor a catechism; as the many passages that assume the readers already know certain things.

Outside the Gospels, whose accounts end at the Ascention, the only historical book we have is the Book of Acts, which probably did end before the Blessed Mother's death.

 

[BBAS 64]

So why participate in this thread? The OP states that a Catholic was going to defend Catholic doctrines biblically. Seems like a waste of time if the doctrines are not in fact biblical, don't you think?




The Mormons claim the same thing.

Indeed they do you should listen to them debate one another...

I have this book, and I have a guy...

My guy is better than your guy, my book is better because my guy says it is.

Quite funny!

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

You mean like Sola Scriptura perhaps?

Sure..

But first you must demonstrate you have the correct understanding of the historical Christian doctrine called Sola Scriptura.

If you would like another thread I would be more than happy....

In Him,

Bill

 

[ebia]

But first you must demonstrate you have the correct understanding of the historical Christian doctrine called Sola Scriptura. l

Why? Pretty much everyone who debates against catholic teachings here quickly demonstrates that they do not understand those.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Assumption of Mary

Originally Posted by ebia

Given that it's a post-biblical event (if it happened) why would you expect it to be in the bible?
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If Mary was 100 when she was assumed -- then... maybe post Bible.

But as it is - it appears to be without Bible support.

in Christ,

Bob

Speaking of which, how many Marian doctrines are enough?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7533697/#post56714947
Cardinals Hoping for a 5th Marian Dogma

To Declare Mary as Mother of Humanity

Five cardinals have sent a letter inviting prelates worldwide to join them in petitioning Benedict XVI to declare a fifth Marian dogma they said would "proclaim the full Christian truth about Mary.".....

Brings to mind a strategy used by many today.

Repeat something often enough, even if it is not true, whatever it is believing that if people hear it repeated over and over and over that more and more will believe it and that will make it true.

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[concretecamper]

Ok, run off now.

(Denial) Dodge #1

Good Morning.....still waiting for your answer.

I will count this as dodge No. 4...ok

 

[concretecamper]

So why the Catholic preoccupation with making the claim that all of the Catholic church's teachings are biblical? It would seem to me that if you and church think that doctrines can come from outside of scripture then it should not matter if they can be defended with scripture, right?

Would you care to answer the question? The question is: Where in the bible does it say that you must believe what is only in the bible?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Ok, run off now.

(Denial) Dodge #1
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Good Morning.....still waiting for your answer.

I will count this as dodge No. 4...ok

I say y'all settle that on the court........

Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story (2004) Official Trailer #1 - Ben Stiller Movie HD - YouTube

 

[concretecamper]

Perhaps then u should start another thread instead of dogging my OP and trying I rabbit trail it into one of yours.

You are the one who start a thread to highlight which Catholic teachings were not in scripture. All I did was ask to prove your premise that "all teachings must come from scripture". and to prove that point, you must show me where it says that is scripture.

I will give you the answer...you can't because scripture does not teach that.

1. Your presupposition is that all teachings must come from scripture.
2. That presupposition is from an authority outside of scripture.
3. That authority may be your pastor or someone in your family.
4. So your entire way of looking at scripture is from a law of man.

And you claim Catholics have man made doctrines....then welcome to the club my friend!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nuPVTU4Z4&list=PL3w5A_ld90eCY6qIb0a0mu1VXKfZ8kl57&index=36

 

[concretecamper]

I say y'all settle that on the court........

Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story (2004) Official Trailer #1 - Ben Stiller Movie HD - YouTube

HAHA...I was thinking of something along the line of My Cousin Vinnie...but I have to learn how to post you tube clips

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by SwordoftheLord

Perhaps then u should start another thread instead of dogging my OP and trying I rabbit trail it into one of yours.
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You are the one who start a thread to highlight which Catholic teachings were not in scripture. All I did was ask to prove your premise that "all teachings must come from scripture".
and to prove that point, you must show me where it says that is scripture.

I will give you the answer...you can't because scripture does not teach that.

1. Your presupposition is that all teachings must come from scripture.
2. That presupposition is from an authority outside of scripture.
3. That authority may be your pastor or someone in your family.
4. So your entire way of looking at scripture is from a law of man.

And you claim Catholics have man made doctrines....then welcome to the club my friend!

The SDAs ask the same thing concerning the Sabbath.
They ask for one verse from the Bible that shows it was abolished:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7622199/
Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none...........

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions.........It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

And they view the RCC in Revelation as the WoB, and the spinoff Protestants as her daughters, because they changed the sabbath to Sunday from Saturday......

http://www.christianforums.com/t4249495-4/
harlot of Babylon and her harlot daughters

Originally Posted by damo73

Does the seventh day adventist church teach that the catholic church is the harlot of Babylon and protestant churches are her harlot daughters and that they the SDA are the one true church.
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Here is the thing...

True repentance means turning away from sin. Sin is the transgression of the law.

The Sunday church goers say the commandments don't matter. While they would not condone murder, theft, adultery...somehow the 4th of the 10 commandments is no longer binding.

The change from 7th day Sabbath to Sunday (1st day) as the day of worship has no scriptural authority. The Roman Catholic Church openly admits it. And many reformation pioneers admitted it. They (Catholic church) held it as the proof of that the church traditions are above the Bible. And RCC challenges the protestants who claim to be Sola Scritura to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy. See Rome's challenge: ROME'S CHALLENGE - WHY DO PROTESTANTS KEEP SUNDAY?

How can the protestants claim to be saved by the grace of God yet blatantly ignore one of God's eternal commandments?

The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church of all protestant churches and rightfully so. The Council of Trent condemned the protestant reformation on the grounds of protestants contradicting themselves by choosing to keep sunday

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

HAHA...I was thinking of something along the line of My Cousin Vinnie...but I have to learn how to post you tube clips

Great movie!!!

Just copy and paste the URL.......

Studdering attorney my cousin vinny - YouTube

 

[catholichomeschooler]

The SDAs ask the same thing concerning the Sabbath.
They ask for one verse from the Bible that shows it was abolished:

That's not the same question.

Why don't you try to answer the question rather than posting an additional, irrelevant question?

 

[Albion]

And you claim Catholics have man made doctrines....then welcome to the club my friend!

So...are we agreeing that every church has some doctrines that are manmade?

 

[concretecamper]

So...are we agreeing that every church has some doctrines that are manmade?

There is only One Church

 

[Hentenza]

Would you care to answer the question? The question is: Where in the bible does it say that you must believe what is only in the bible?

lol No where in the bible does it state that you must believe only what is in the bible. The Mormons believe many things that are not in the bible and so do the JWs. However, the option that you bring to the table is "T"radition but there are many "T"raditions, so which one is co-authoritative with scripture? Yours? EO? OO? Mormons? Others?