Casting Out Demons and the Name of Jesus

[rapturefish]

Oh, forgot about Acts 16:16-18... girl with spirit of divination...

Anyway, abt Saul:

1Sa 16:16
"Let our lord now command your servants who are before you. Let them seek a man who is a skillful player on the harp; and it shall come about when the evil spirit from God is on you, that he shall play {the harp} with his hand, and you will be well."

1Sa 16:23
So it came about whenever the {evil} spirit from God came to Saul, David would take the harp and play {it} with his hand; and Saul would be refreshed and be well, and the evil spirit would depart from him.

1Sa 18:10
Now it came about on the next day that an evil spirit from God came mightily upon Saul, and he raved in the midst of the house, while David was playing {the harp} with his hand, as usual; and a spear {was} in Saul's hand.

1Sa 19:9
Now there was an evil spirit from the LORD on Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand, and David was playing {the harp} with {his} hand.

Seems to be a study on prepositions, huh? I don't have a commentary on me but the way it's described it's not really different from when we say "I will pour out my Spirit up on all people" or "my Spirit will be upon him[Jesus]".

 

[paulewog]

Hm, true.. but there is a difference, still....

Not really sure about it.

/me goes to bed.

 

[rapturefish]

2 Peter 1:16-21 (NET)

1:16 For we did not follow cleverly concocted fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; no, we were eyewitnesses of his grandeur.
1:17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father, when that voice was conveyed to him by the Majestic Glory: "This is my dear Son, in whom I am delighted."
1:18 When this voice was conveyed from heaven, we ourselves heard it, for we were with him on the holy mountain.
1:19 Moreover, we (59) possess the prophetic word as an altogether reliable thing (60). You do well if you pay attention to this as you would to a light shining in a murky place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
1:20 Above all, you do well if you recognize this: no prophecy of scripture ever comes about by the prophet's own imagination,
1:21 for no prophecy was ever borne of human impulse; rather, men carried along by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

* 59sn We in v. 19 is apparently an inclusive "we" (Peter and his audience). Such shifts in the first person plural are quite common in epistolary literature (cf., e.g., 2 Cor 10-13, passim).

* 60tn The comparative adjective bebaiovteron (bebaioteron) is the complement to the object toVn profhtikoVn lovgon (ton profhtikon logon). As such, the construction almost surely has the force "The prophetic word is (more certain/altogether certain)-and this is something that we all have." Many scholars prefer to read the construction as saying "we have the prophetic word made more sure," but such a nuance is unparalleled in object-complement constructions (when the construction has this force, poievw (poiew) is present [as in 2 Pet 1:10]). The meaning, as construed in the translation, is that the Bible (in this case, the OT) that these believers had in their hands was a thoroughly reliable guide. Whether it was more certain than was even Peter's experience on the Mount of Transfiguration depends on whether the adjective should be taken as a true comparative ("more certain") or as an elative ("very certain, altogether certain"). Some would categorically object to any experience functioning as a confirmation of the scriptures and hence would tend to give the adjective a comparative force. Yet the author labors to show that his gospel is trustworthy precisely because he was an eyewitness of this great event. Further, to say that the OT scriptures (the most likely meaning of "the prophetic word") were more trustworthy an authority than an apostle's own experience of Christ is both to misconstrue how prophecy took place in the OT (did not the prophets have visions or other experiences?) and to deny the final revelation of God in Christ (cf. Heb 1:2). In sum, since syntactically the meaning that "we have confirmed the prophetic word by our experience" is improbable, and since contextually the meaning that "we have something that is a more reliable authority than experience, namely, the Bible" is unlikely, we are left with the meaning "we have a very reliable authority, the Old Testament, as a witness to Christ's return." No comparison is thus explicitly made. This fits both the context and normal syntax quite well. The introductory kaiv (kai) suggests that Peter is adding to his argument. He makes the statement that Christ will return, and backs it up with two points: (1) Peter himself (as well as the other apostles) was an eyewitness to the Transfiguration, which is a precursor to the Parousia; and (2) the Gentile believers, who were not on the Mount of Transfiguration, nevertheless have the Old Testament, a wholly reliable authority that also promises the return of Christ.

em, where's my rubber duckie? Getting tired meself...

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Jee Whiz you two. . .

Just as I come back to answer something you've gone way past where what I was gonna write no longer seems applicable.

Rapturefish,

Thanks for all your input on this.  You've done a "fabulous" job.

 

Paulewog,

I'm glad to see your doing some looking up and thinking of your own.  

One thing I did want to add, although it's small, is regarding "new" revelations.  While there is no revelation that is new from God, we, being human, don't have full understanding of everything He has revealed. 

We have eternity to discover everything there is to know about Him.  God and His way is multi-facited.  So when we/I say "new",  it's new to me, not God.  In other words, "I just got it!"

 

[paulewog]

Oh. I meant no new direct revalations from God. Like God telling someone to tell this person this certain thing.

And you're right. I'm not sure I'll ever understand the Trinity.

 

[Force]

Originally posted by paulewog
Oh. I meant no new direct revalations from God. Like God telling someone to tell this person this certain thing.

And you're right. I'm not sure I'll ever understand the Trinity.

Its wierd that you dont get the Trinity concept...I never have thought twice about it...it just makes sense for some reason.....I always assumed it was just a part of ALL Christian doctrine..... 

Anyways do you like Billy Graham paulewog?  Do you believe he is a man of God?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by paulewog
Oh. I meant no new direct revalations from God. Like God telling someone to tell this person this certain thing.

And you're right. I'm not sure I'll ever understand the Trinity.

 

Hey Paul,

I somewhat agree with you . . .

Being part of a church that moves in the prophetic gifts, I hear God all the time giving current direction to those who need to hear it.

1.  Generally, no one receiving a "prophetic" word is being told something that God has not already spoken to them on.  However, due to their uncertainty, lack of understanding or downright resistance, God gets more direct. 

2.  The word being given is never to go outside of scripture.  Such as "God said to tell you that it's ok to steal that book because  you need to read it".  NOT! 

There was one time when I had made some really bad choices.  And I found myself doing things that I never dreamed I would do.  But there I was.

I continued to be active in my church and for whatever reason, I believed that I had failed God.  I believed that He was dissapointed with me.

One day while talking to a freind on the phone, she was telling me things that God was showing her.  As I listened, I can't really explain what happend but suddenly, it was just me and God.  The words were coming physically out of her mouth, but God was talking directly to me. 

Through her He let me know that there was nothing that I could do that He was not willing to forgive me of or cleanse me of.  I began to weep. 

My friend of course, had no idea why I was sobbing.  I told her that her words came to me direct from God and had ministered to me. 

I knew the Word.  These were not words from God that I did not already know.  But I needed to hear it.  It made all the difference in the world.  

There was another time, when a friend of mine had gotten away from the Lord and was becoming involved with an unsaved man.  The Lord impressed on me to call her and warn her.  The message from God was direct.  If you marry this man it will end tragically.

Scripture tells us to not be unequally yoked, so I was not telling her anything scripture does not say.  She did not heed the warning. 

A couple of years later, he murdered her.  If she had listened.  She would be alive today.

I would hope that your pastor is getting direct revelation from God on a daily basis.  You need direct revelation from God, every time a situation comes up that you don't know what to do.  Everyone of us needs direct revelation from God.

Unfortionately, too many people get into a rut with the prophetic and are running from place to place looking for a word, when what they need to be doing is reading their Bible and getting before God on their own.

I can remember one time when a man had come forward to get a prophetic word and I told him that God had already told him what he was to do.  I had nothing new from God because he had yet to obey what God had already told him in his heart.

So, I don't know if that adds any clarification or just adds new things to discuss . . . 

I don't believe anyone should require a prophet to know what to do.  God has given us His Word and His Spirit.  When we get alone with Him, He is so very willing to instruct us Himself. 

 

[paulewog]

Hey Force - I believe the Trinity, and I completely get the concept. But as to understanding HOW three persons can be One God.... three in one, but not Three Gods, but three persons...I think it's beyond our minds to comprehend that.

Just like it's beyond our minds how God can be in complete control and yet we still have a free will.... or how Jesus was 100% God, 100% man....

Hallo Mr. Quaffer

/me feels weird discussing things with people older than he is

Anyways, I wouldn't call those direct revalation. Certainly, God spoke ... so to speak ... hehe ... through you, and through the person on the phone. Or, rather, the Holy Spirit used them. But God did not actually speak (like He did to the prophets in the OT, for example), nor was it prophetic in the future-telling sense.

I think that the Bible really holds all that anyone needs to hear for their life (well other than maybe good advice from someone who's been there and done that, which can be used by God also).

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by paulewog
Hey Force - I believe the Trinity, and I completely get the concept. But as to understanding HOW three persons can be One God.... three in one, but not Three Gods, but three persons...I think it's beyond our minds to comprehend that.

Just like it's beyond our minds how God can be in complete control and yet we still have a free will.... or how Jesus was 100% God, 100% man....

Hallo Mr. Quaffer

/me feels weird discussing things with people older than he is

Anyways, I wouldn't call those direct revalation. Certainly, God spoke ... so to speak ... hehe ... through you, and through the person on the phone. Or, rather, the Holy Spirit used them. But God did not actually speak (like He did to the prophets in the OT, for example), nor was it prophetic in the future-telling sense.

I think that the Bible really holds all that anyone needs to hear for their life (well other than maybe good advice from someone who's been there and done that, which can be used by God also).

Hey Paulewog,

That would be Ms Quaffer , although I'm not really into titles, and I suppose, at 17, there are alot of people older than you.

Whatever one may want to call it, it was revelation of something that person needed to hear.  And it was direct.  The word to my friend who was killed was definately future.  If she had listened she would be alive today.

Since I've never heard God speak audibly I can't say whether He does or does not.  I don't know that He always spoke audibly then.

Like I said in the previous post, the Bible does say what we need to know.  But sometimes God likes to incourage, admonish, minister, etc, using someone with skin.  The words are not new to Him, but they may be new to us.

Be blessed Paul.  I've sent you some more blessings.

Barbara 

 

[paulewog]

Oops, Ms. Quaffer

Yes, but you didn't say, "If you marry this guy you will be killed by him in x amount of years."

Eeek, blessings

/me doesn't want to die of blessification.... long story....

 

[Brightraven]

Though I am a reallativly new christian I have seen a demon manifest once, There was a man who was addicted to drugs who had come to my church because of our freedom from adiction class. After he had been there for a while ahe prefessed a desire to know Christ. He also wanted the demons who inhabited him to he expelled. I was present while one manifested it self. IT was one of the strangest things that have ever happened to me. However because of it my faith in Christ increased.

 

[paulewog]

/me wishes Andrew a happy birthday

 

[Andrew]

Thanks paulewog!

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by paulewog
Oops, Ms. Quaffer

Yes, but you didn't say, "If you marry this guy you will be killed by him in x amount of years."

Eeek, blessings

/me doesn't want to die of blessification.... long story....

Paulewog,

Your splitting hairs!

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by paulewog
/me wishes Andrew a happy birthday

It's Andrew's Birthday!

 

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANDREW

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by Brightraven
Though I am a reallativly new christian I have seen a demon manifest once, There was a man who was addicted to drugs who had come to my church because of our freedom from adiction class. After he had been there for a while ahe prefessed a desire to know Christ. He also wanted the demons who inhabited him to he expelled. I was present while one manifested it self. IT was one of the strangest things that have ever happened to me. However because of it my faith in Christ increased.

Yes Brightraven, I have seen this also.  It's exciting to see people delivered from the tormenter.