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There are four main reasons why I believe that the death penalty is a just punishment.

1. First, capital punishment is right because it is taught in the Bible.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..." We are the image of God, and therefore it is for all people for all ages. This verse was written before the law so after the end of the law, this has been diminished.

Also, God has given the government augthorit to punish all who have done evil.

"it does not bear the swrod for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil." Romans 13:4

2. Next, it is reasonable. - If someone takes the life of another, they should be put to death! I read this article that talked about a victim and how everyone pitied the murderer more then the victim. The victim had hopes and dreams also, a loving family possibly, an entire future ahead of them, and then on one day, it was ripped out of their hands. If someone plays God and takes their life away, then the government, as God's avenger has the right to do the same.

3. Capital Punishment is right because it acts as an effective deterrent to further crimes. - If the predator is dead, they can not kill...

4. Capital Punishment protects the innocent. - Very rarily will you find capital punishment given to an innocent person, because there are many procedures to go through, I think sometimes to many in some cases. It protects society a whole lot more....
You've used Biblical scripture to justify your support of capital punishment.

On it's methods and potential recipients, would you also support capital punishment for homosexuals, adulterers, heretics, "witches", and children who wilfully disobey their parents? Because there is plenty of scriptural backing for meting out capital punishment for those "crimes".

How about these methods: stoning, burning, the sword, and hanging? Do you have any stomach for implementing those sentences against homosexuals and adulterers? Those methods have also been cited by some more stringent adherents of Biblical law.
 
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How about these methods: stoning, burning, the sword, and hanging? Do you have any stomach for implementing those sentences against homosexuals and adulterers? Those methods have also been cited by some more stringent adherents of Biblical law.
That is the thing to remember though; Those things you mentioned were of the law. When grace came into the picture the law was done away with for all things had become new. Capital punishment for taking the life of another was mentioned before the law though, unless you have other scripture to support otherwise...
 
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There are four main reasons why I believe that the death penalty is a just punishment.

1. First, capital punishment is right because it is taught in the Bible.
You will understand that this is not an acceptable reason for a non-believer like me. There are also quite a few other books that proclaim that the death penalty is not a good idea.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..."
This doesn´t sound like advice or a law but more like a description.
If however we consider it a law it commands a never ending spiral of violence.


2. Next, it is reasonable. - If someone takes the life of another, they should be put to death! I read this article that talked about a victim and how everyone pitied the murderer more then the victim. The victim had hopes and dreams also, a loving family possibly, an entire future ahead of them, and then on one day, it was ripped out of their hands. If someone plays God and takes their life away, then the government, as God's avenger has the right to do the same.
You started this paragraph by stating the death penalty is reasonable. I was expecting an explanation how it is reasonable, but don´t seem to see any. I merely see apodictic ideological claims that basically repeat the religious argument from (1).

3. Capital Punishment is right because it acts as an effective deterrent to further crimes. - If the predator is dead, they can not kill...
"Deterrent" in the common use of the word talks about preventing living persons from doing something undesirable. It does not include killing people so that they can´t do what we don´t want them to do.
It has yet to be shown that the death penalty is an effective deterrent. As long as many countries without the death penalty have significantly lower capital crime rates than countries with the death penalty, I see no basis for this claim.
The death penalty as an effective way of preventing people from doing what we don´t want them to do: granted. However, it also keeps them from doing what we want them to do. And it also keeps persons from doing things that we assume they want to do but were never going to do in the first place.
You are assuming that a person who has killed once is likely to kill another time (more likely than someone who hasn´t killed yet). Please substantiate this view. If you can´t, you have just provided an argument for killing everyone in order to prevent them from killing others.
The death penalty would also be an effective means to keep children who have stolen sweeties from doing it again. Since you don´t seem to advocate the death penalty for this purpose, you seem to agree with me that your argument is not valid in itself, but that the actual question is one of appropriateness. This needs to be discussed.

4. Capital Punishment protects the innocent.
Needs to be substantiated.
Besides the question would have to be investigated whether there are less drastic (and maybe even - in the big picture - more effective means to protect the innocent.
Very rarily will you find capital punishment given to an innocent person, because there are many procedures to go through, I think sometimes to many in some cases.
For me only one case would be one too many.

It protects society a whole lot more....
This would have to be substantiated (see my response to (2).

For me there are two simple reasons against the death penalty:
1. I am against the killing of humans, and I do not want my government to kill in my name.
2. The death penalty sends a counterproductive message. It is meant to establish killing as a no-no, and in trying to get this message across it uses killing for its method itself.

I have an interest in having society protected. There are rare cases of persons who murder compulsory and for whom it is safe to say they will kill again. If your arguments have any merits at all, then only in regards to such persons. Since I think that - besides killing them - there are reasonably reliable means available to protect society from these persons, in view of my points above I would always prefer these means.
 
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I am in favour of the death penalty in certain cases. Not as a punishment, or for revenge, or because some religious text supports it. But because it is the only way to ensure that the person never offends again. For the safety of society - that's the ONLY thing that makes the death penalty justifiable IMO.
 
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That is the thing to remember though; Those things you mentioned were of the law. When grace came into the picture the law was done away with for all things had become new. Capital punishment for taking the life of another was mentioned before the law though, unless you have other scripture to support otherwise...
You didn't answer my question. Would you also support capital punishment for homosexuals, adulterers, heretics and witches?
 
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Scripture quoted in the OP to justify capital punishment: "Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..."

"it does not bear the swrod for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil." Romans 13:4"

If capital punishment is to be meted out in this context, all it is is an act of revenge. Keep in mind that it's humans, not God, who minister the government rules, so when humans kill, even in the name of the government, they are subject to judgement for killing another human being. As another poster pointed out, it's a never ending cycle.
 
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There are four main reasons why I believe that the death penalty is a just punishment.

1. First, capital punishment is right because it is taught in the Bible.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..." We are the image of God, and therefore it is for all people for all ages. This verse was written before the law so after the end of the law, this has been diminished.

Also, God has given the government augthorit to punish all who have done evil.

"it does not bear the swrod for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil." Romans 13:4

2. Next, it is reasonable. - If someone takes the life of another, they should be put to death! I read this article that talked about a victim and how everyone pitied the murderer more then the victim. The victim had hopes and dreams also, a loving family possibly, an entire future ahead of them, and then on one day, it was ripped out of their hands. If someone plays God and takes their life away, then the government, as God's avenger has the right to do the same.

3. Capital Punishment is right because it acts as an effective deterrent to further crimes. - If the predator is dead, they can not kill...

4. Capital Punishment protects the innocent. - Very rarily will you find capital punishment given to an innocent person, because there are many procedures to go through, I think sometimes to many in some cases. It protects society a whole lot more....

That is incorrect.
 
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Does anyone else sometimes find very pro DP supporters to sound almost bloodthirsty? They won't be satisfied, until they are killed because it makes them feel better. It doesn't sound like the teachings of Christ I've got to agree.

In a simplistic 'deserving' sense yes they deserve to die, but according to God's standards, so do we. It's clear from scripture Christ doesn't just immediately act on what we deserve all the time, but desires all to know him, and receive the free grace and forgiveness he offers to all people, which includes yes even the most evil of sinners, like sadaam huiessen and hitler for example.

Shouldn't we as imitators of christ, be desiring more, that these people turn their lives to Christ, and be changed. I think we should desire to bring a person back, and help them be a better person, and not just be concerned with vengeance, which a lot of it is.

The same principle can apply for 'minor sins' if there was such a thing. We lie to someone, and let someone down. It therefore makes us feel better if someone does it back to them? That's not what we're meant to get ourselves too concerned with - our main concern should be for all to come to know Jesus - it is probably those who have commited the worst crimes who need to know him the most!
 
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I've had debates/discussions about the death penalty before and I've included people like Hitler and Sadaam Huiessin as 2 examples I wouldn't even wish it on. Yes they may deserve to die, but according to God's standards, every single one of us across the face of the earth deserves the death penalty - a concept I think some self righteous people need to get their heads around. If God decides someone's time is up fine, but I'm not getting involved in murder. At least life imprisonment gives everyone chance for repentance. God could've decided to give us the death penalty and kill off and stop the human race after adam and eve, but he decided to give us a chance first instead, mercy triumphs over justice, according to the scriptures. This is what God does for us - if we don't offer the same to others, I don't think we're being imitators of Christ like the Bible commands. At the end of the day, everyone's going to die eventually anyway, and if they don't repent they will be punished eventually, whether the DP is carried out or not. But I still think everyone deserves a chance no matter what to repent, and firmly believe no one has the authority to take the life of someone else but God. I mean, u really think a human being, (half of these executioners won't even be christians and have the spirit living in them!) will know for sure that God has completely given up on that person, and their destination is now hell. Like anyone in most cases knows that for sure. If I sent someone to hell I would seriously never live with myself. I wouldn't wish that pklace on absolutely anybody. A place of unbelievable suffering and torture - just doesn't bear thinking about!

I think everyone should have an equal chance to come to a place of repentance and receive the free grace and forgiveness Christ offers - including yes, the most evil of sinners. I've read stories about ex murderers who repented and gave their life to Christ in prison - something they would have been stopped from happening if the death penalty had been given. I really wouldn't wish a single person to go to hell honestly - a place of eternal torture and suffering - it just doesn't bear thinking about. I don't think any human knows for certain that God has completely finished with and given up on that person, I really think we should leave that up to God.

That's my understanding on it so far. I've heard 1 or 2 verses quoted at me from the OT by pro DP supporters before, but I just don't think it seems consistent with the rest of the NT teaching and other parts of the Bible.
Maybe its not a black and white situation, if I find anything new that starts to cause me to lean slightly toward the other way I'll try to be open to that, but I'm not convinced at the moment.
Cain was a murderer, in as early as Genesis, and God spared his life.

I used to be passionately for the DP a few years ago btw. Partly because our law system is a joke sometimes and we are far too soft, and it made me angry, and I'd say 'someone who unlawfully destroys another life, doesn't deserve to keep theirs.' Perhaps they don't, but I really don't think this issue is as simple as that. If it was a black and white and just about what we 'deserve' all the time, God would've killed us all off now, and none of us would be alive.
 
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There are four main reasons why I believe that the death penalty is a just punishment.

1. First, capital punishment is right because it is taught in the Bible.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..." We are the image of God, and therefore it is for all people for all ages. This verse was written before the law so after the end of the law, this has been diminished.

Also, God has given the government augthorit to punish all who have done evil.

"it does not bear the swrod for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil." Romans 13:4

2. Next, it is reasonable. - If someone takes the life of another, they should be put to death! I read this article that talked about a victim and how everyone pitied the murderer more then the victim. The victim had hopes and dreams also, a loving family possibly, an entire future ahead of them, and then on one day, it was ripped out of their hands. If someone plays God and takes their life away, then the government, as God's avenger has the right to do the same.

3. Capital Punishment is right because it acts as an effective deterrent to further crimes. - If the predator is dead, they can not kill...

4. Capital Punishment protects the innocent. - Very rarily will you find capital punishment given to an innocent person, because there are many procedures to go through, I think sometimes to many in some cases. It protects society a whole lot more....
Jesus abolished capital punishment!
Jesus said,
“Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” —Matthew 5:38,44

Love for Enemies 27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Luke 6

Would killing them be “loving” them? Would killing them be “doing good” to them? Would killing them be “blessing” them?

God Bless


“Do not repay anyone evil for evil . . . Do not take revenge, but leave room for God’s wrath.” —Romans 12:17,19
 
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1. First, capital punishment is right because it is taught in the Bible.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..." We are the image of God, and therefore it is for all people for all ages. This verse was written before the law so after the end of the law, this has been diminished.

No, that's arbitrary.

2. Next, it is reasonable. - If someone takes the life of another, they should be put to death! I read this article that talked about a victim and how everyone pitied the murderer more then the victim. The victim had hopes and dreams also, a loving family possibly, an entire future ahead of them, and then on one day, it was ripped out of their hands. If someone plays God and takes their life away, then the government, as God's avenger has the right to do the same.

Why? Claiming it is reasonable does not make it reasonable. Why is taking the life of someone just if they have taken a life themselves? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of valuing life?

3. Capital Punishment is right because it acts as an effective deterrent to further crimes. - If the predator is dead, they can not kill...

Sounds good. You know that it doesn't prevent other people from committing crimes though.

4. Capital Punishment protects the innocent. - Very rarily will you find capital punishment given to an innocent person, because there are many procedures to go through, I think sometimes to many in some cases. It protects society a whole lot more....


And yet innocent people get put to death all the time.
 
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What would Jesus do?

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Let's see!

Instead of an “eye for an eye,” Jesus said, “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” —Matthew 5:38,44



But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. Luke 6:27

8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. 9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. 1 Peter 3:8-9


"Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves." Philippians 2:3


The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Galatians 5:14

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. James 2:8

[ Love one another ] This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 1 John 3:11

“Do not repay anyone evil for evil . . . Do not take revenge, but leave room for God’s wrath.” —Romans 12:17,19



And the soldiers likewise demanded of him,saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages....Luke 3:14,
 
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Capital punishment is wrong and immoral in my opinion. It should never have to happen unless there is no other way of protecting society from a dangerous criminal and that would be extremely rare. If a nation has no prisons they could come up with some deal to send their prisoners to other prisons in other nations or they could build a prison. There is no reason for capital punishment to be a fact of life.
 
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There are four main reasons why I believe that the death penalty is a just punishment.

1. First, capital punishment is right because it is taught in the Bible.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood is shed..." We are the image of God, and therefore it is for all people for all ages. This verse was written before the law so after the end of the law, this has been diminished.

Yeah, yeah, yeah live by the sword die by it, that's a lot of things (even karma) but it's not a command for man to set up a justice system that includes killing someone.

Also, God has given the government augthorit to punish all who have done evil.

"it does not bear the swrod for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil." Romans 13:4

context context context.. what kind of evil, what kind of sword, what kind of wrath?

2. Next, it is reasonable. - If someone takes the life of another, they should be put to death! I read this article that talked about a victim and how everyone pitied the murderer more then the victim. The victim had hopes and dreams also, a loving family possibly, an entire future ahead of them, and then on one day, it was ripped out of their hands. If someone plays God and takes their life away, then the government, as God's avenger has the right to do the same.

We are called to accept the government we are not assured the government is acting as God's "avenger" that's just scary. That means that person's in government who decide to allow genocide or create it or just acting as God's avenger... don't think so...

3. Capital Punishment is right because it acts as an effective deterrent to further crimes. - If the predator is dead, they can not kill...

Alas it's such an effective deterrent that states with the DP still have murder....

4. Capital Punishment protects the innocent. - Very rarily will you find capital punishment given to an innocent person, because there are many procedures to go through, I think sometimes to many in some cases. It protects society a whole lot more....

Hmm... we get it wrong enough (once is enough) to make it dangerous to assume it protects the innocent.

Plus ... where does God give man the authority to take away the chance of redemption?
 
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