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Can't change churches. Help?

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She is high functioning autistic

Problem spotted right there. Autistic people can't help it sometimes when facing changes. I have autism and this can be difficult. And if she is autistic her depression about this stuff is most probably authentic and she is not acting up, i say you tell her with love and kindness that you want to go to the church, and try to convince her at least to let you go alone to that church. With much kindness tell her that you really want to do this. I guess she will understand you if you explain to her why you really need this. Autistic people needs explanation about changes sometimes don't just take them by surprise with what you want.
 
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You are hiding behind appearances of things but God knows and you know you don't want to fight the status quo and that its just easier to keep going as you are. Nothing good was ever easy.

If she is autistic she can be very loyal but i don't about commanding her out like with a normal person would be a very good idea.
 
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I don't know what to do I'm married to this woman who is obstinate in her ways and if I try to change this she will become very unhappy and it will cause spiritual division between us. She doesn't ever want to pray or read the bible so why does she care what church we go to? Oh that's right those people there are like her family and she loves them to much

Understand that if she is autistic that she sometimes can't help it, sometimes we can't help it!!

I understand that a husband need to lead his wife, but with autistic people the proccess can be a little different than with normal people.
 
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If she is autistic she can be very loyal but i don't about commanding her out like with a normal person would be a very good idea.

I don't know what to do I'm married to this woman who is obstinate in her ways and if I try to change this she will become very unhappy and it will cause spiritual division between us. She doesn't ever want to pray or read the bible so why does she care what church we go to? Oh that's right those people there are like her family and she loves them to much

Understand that if she is autistic she is not obstinated, sometimes we can't help it!!
Being autistic is no excuse. I am autistic. A lot of the harm done with autistic people is treating them differently and enabling them to continue down their irregular behaviors. Trust me, I've suffered tremendously on account of my mind and wished people would just understand me but it was for my good so that I would overcome my problems and make myself understandable.
 
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Problem spotted right there. Autistic people can't help it sometimes when facing changes. I have autism and this can be difficult. And if she is autistic her depression about this stuff is most probably authentic and she is not acting up, i say you tell her with love and kindness that you want to go to the church, and try to convince her at least to let you go alone to that church. With much kindness tell her that you really want to do this. I guess she will understand you if you explain to her why you really need this. Autistic people needs explanation about changes sometimes don't just take them by surprise with what you want.
Won't work. I don't think I am meant to leave at this time any more. I am going to talk to my pastor and see if he can help me figure out a way to serve or mission to satisfy my desire to serve God besides being a greeter an usher or cutting grass. I don't mind doing those things I just want to do more than serve the church on Sunday morning.
 
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Won't work. I don't think I am meant to leave at this time any more. I am going to talk to my pastor and see if he can help me figure out a way to serve or mission to satisfy my desire to serve God besides being a greeter an usher or cutting grass. I don't mind doing those things I just want to do more than serve the church on Sunday morning.

Just tell her you are going to go to this church and just do it? if she doesn't want to go then you will go alone?. But explain to her why is a need for you.
 
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Being autistic is no excuse. I am autistic. A lot of the harm done with autistic people is treating them differently and enabling them to continue down their irregular behaviors. Trust me, I've suffered tremendously on account of my mind and wished people would just understand me but it was for my good so that I would overcome my problems and make myself understandable.

But we definitely have more limitations sometimes than normal people. Like don't liking changes and that stuff.
 
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1 Corinthians 13
1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. 3 If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it;but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

8 Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.

11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

13 Three things will last forever—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.
agree
thats the verse that came to mind

you have the right attitude
God will bless you
 
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I'm not even married but what about: Just tell her you love her and you are going to this new church and thats it, explain her why and all that, but do it? try one time to see what happens i mean it is not the end of the world right?

Also pray to God to give you wisdom.
 
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I'm not even married but what about: Just tell her you love her and you are going to this new church and thats it, explain her why and all that, but do it? try one time to see what happens i mean it is not the end of the world right?

Also pray to God to give you wisdom.
I have done this before I just can't go to separate churches it doesn't sit right with me. When I do go to a different church it's like man I wish she was here to be able to hear this but when we are together nothing is missing. Again this is a solved case. I'm going to edit the OP. I think i wore my garments out trying to fight this thing. It made me a dormant Christian for 2 years because I ended up worse trying to get her to go with me. I came to an ultimatum a while back - either I marry her and deal with what I have to or I remain single and celibate and serve God as much as my heart desired. I missed her to much so I stayed with her but felt worse than when this whole thing started so I went dormant for 2 years - didn't go to church, didn't pray or read the bible, started smoking again and stopped caring. I'm coming out of it now and would just like to move forward in my relationship with Christ and my wife and change for the better. It's too late I already married her I knew what I was getting myself into.

But I thank you all for your offerings. It's all for God's glory so I thank you all and God. I only ask that you remember me in prayer and that God's work is made complete in me and that I become whole through the workings of the Holy Spirit made manifest in my life. You all are so wonderful to have here.
 
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It sounds like your wife wants to attend a seeker sensitive church with a soft spoken preaching style and she is intimidated going to a traditional pentecostal church. Some people are turned off by loud and fiery preaching, mandatory altar calls, and open tongues because they have not been in that setting before. This is part of the reason why some Pentecostal Churches are following the Hillong model and becoming acomodating to visitors. I have attended a church like this and whenever there’s a spiritual gift, the Pastor has to address the congregation and explain to visitor. If someone speaks loudly in tongues, it must be followed by interpretation. If the tongue doesn’t follow interpretation, it isn’t from God and the Pastor will correct the person.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/6g7i41/the_assemblies_of_god_ama_2017/dioguh1/
 
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If someone speaks loudly in tongues, it must be followed by interpretation. If the tongue doesn’t follow interpretation, it isn’t from God and the Pastor will correct the person.
What exactly does it mean by interpretation? How does one interpret an unknown language anyways?
 
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What exactly does it mean by interpretation? How does one interpret an unknown language anyways?
It is a spiritual gift of the interpreter to translate glossolalia to the language of the church.

1 Cor 14
“ If no one among the gathered Christians possessed the gift of interpretation, then the gift of tongues was not to be publicly exercised.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_tongues
 
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It is a spiritual gift of the interpreter to translate glossolalia to the language of the church.

1 Cor 14
“ If no one among the gathered Christians possessed the gift of interpretation, then the gift of tongues was not to be publicly exercised.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_tongues
The church I went to and the people there went into tongues but there was never an interpreter. If all Pentecostal churches are like this I wonder why. People would also prophecy.

Is the order in which church conducted just different in today's time or should we still thump these rules in the church?

I remember somewhere also the word talking about how women weren't to hold certain positions in the church where today anybody can do anything in the church?

Do we always need an interpreter in the church or is it a matter of how a church is conducted and the gifts therein are a matter of that groups rules?
 
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Some Pentecostal denominations like the Aog believe in having an orderly service like the church in Corinthians. Means that loud-tongues should be exercised if there is an interpreter in the room and people prophesying must notify the Pastor before addressing the church. Which is why churches in the Assemblies of God tend to be more reserved than some other traditional all out Pentecostal Churches.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/6g7i41/the_assemblies_of_god_ama_2017/dio5vl2/
 
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Hello there,
I read your post, and I also read a great deal of the responses. It is a difficult situation to be in for sure. I experienced something similar. When my wife and I were married, she had her church traditions, and I had mine. I tried to take spiritual leadership, but I felt she was not submitting to my role as spiritual leader. We had many discussions about it, and I found myself keeping my eyes on Jesus. While difficult to do, I did not want to be consumed with a problem that would have me forget about the amazing Love, Grace, and Forgiveness given to me by our Father. I continued being part of a men’s disciple group which met once a week, and continued to read and praise God. I feel she wanted to share something I had with God. While she had her own personal relationship, I think her desire to share this Love together overcame her. We have found a church that we both love, and we are closer than ever before. My prayer for you is that you and your wife find this. Here is an article on this issue. https://bit.ly/2L167Ai I hope it helps you and your wife. God bless!

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I am governed by the King, whose word is absolute and I have no problem in obeying him. So also do I have no problem in obeying the authority which God sets on earth. And God set us men as the authority over women. It is YOU who paint the picture of wicked domineering but from the beginning it was not so. The authority of God is to be obeyed. But you paint it with the gloss of evil so that you can justify your own way of life.

No, no. Men are not in authority "over women". A particular man is the head of (only) his own wife in the same way as Jesus is the Head of his church and over His Apostles. Leading the Apostles, he showed them what leadership looks like...washing their feet like a servant and dying for them. He who would be first is last of all. Matthew 20: 25-30.

But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant,c 27and whoever would be first among you must be your slave,d 28even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

A wise man needs to love his wife like that, not by dominating her and telling her the way things are going to be. Any woman will follow a husband who is like Jesus.
 
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God has to come first before anything else. My priority list is, God first, family next, employment after that, church last. I told my wife that God comes first in my life and family next. I don't think she liked hearing that, but that is my stand. At the same time, important life decisions must be made in the "committee of two", involve my wife and me. If we are not in total agreement, neither of us go ahead in it. I wanted to be a minister some years ago, and my wife said to me, "I didn't marry you to become and minster's wife!" So that settled it, because ministry would not work for me if I disregarded her and went ahead. Yet, over the years I became an elder of the church, and now as the senior elder in our church without a minister, I am effectively doing the pastor's role, and my wife doesn't object. You see, God works things out, but not in the exact way we would expect.

In putting God first, I must remain true to my prophetic calling. I am a tongues-speaking full-gospel believer who prays for the sick and casts out demons. My wife has told me that Pentecostalism is not her cup of tea, but she does not prevent me being who I am in Christ. For example, my daughter when she was 16 was being baptised in a local AOG church. I asked, as her father, to be able to give an Abrahamic blessing prophecy over her, and they agreed. So I did. Now my wife had never heard me pray in tongues before. She was standing right beside me when I laid my hand on my daughter's head and started, but it came out as a tongues message. I was thinking, "I'm for it now!" Then I gave the interpretation and it was a wonderful, encouraging prophecy over what God thought of her and His desire for her life. My wife made no comment at all, and she didn't divorce me on the spot! :)

In that service, people were speaking in tongues all over the place, and she turned to me with eyes like saucers and asked, "Are those people speaking in tongues?" I said, "Yep!" And that was it. On the way home, that was when she said that Pentecostalism was not her cup of tea, and I respect that. There is no conflict over religion in our home. She had a Roman Catholic background and she has greatly helped me understand their theology. Although she won't participate in the worship services in my Presbyterian church, she is friends with all the people there, and fully involves herself in the social side of the church.

I love her and accept her as she is, and she loves me the same. I don't think I would leave my church and go to a Pentecostal one, even though I am full-gospel, because my wife would not be happy, and any decision like that would have to involve the "committee of two." So, when it is my turn to preach (about once a month), I preach full-gospel, and (miraculously) the members lap it up. I think it is because I am making a stand about what I believe in Christ, but I am not trying to force change on them. I believe that when it comes time for a change toward the full-gospel God will do it, and when He does, it will be done right!

I hope that is encouraging to anyone who feels the same conflict at home. Remember, a man shall cleave to his wife and the two become one flesh, and shall leave his and her father and mother. Many conflicts come through interference from family, especially the wife or husband's parents who cannot let go of their controlling attitude.
 
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