Canadian Rumors... AR15 and other Semi-Automatic firearms... Possibly Pistols and revolvers....

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 3, 2019

Update...
On June 21 Canadian Bill C71 received Royal Assent, and was signed into law by our Governor General. However, to come into force, it must be published in the "Canada Gazette" with the date that it is to come into force. This has yet to be done, however bills signed into law after C71 have been published.

We believe that the Liberals will again make this an election issue, and will wait until after our fall election (should they get into power again) to enact it and start their ban campaign.

The conservative party has promised to repeal C71, but in the event they get a minority government, it would be unlikely that they could.

With the requirement to not just see, but verify the license of everyone who buys even non restricted guns, and the governments policy of no weekend workers at the Chief Firearms Officer's office, this will also effectively put a stop to weekend gun shows and local gun club swap meets.

We are not out of the woods yet.

Newtheran · Jul 9, 2019

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Please keep Canada in your prayers.
Mark

Will do, and prayers for more of your people to recall their history before anyone named Trudeau.

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 11, 2019

Newtheran said:
Will do, and prayers for more of your people to recall their history before anyone named Trudeau.

Thanks; The Maple Leaf Forever should, in my mind still be our national anthem!

Tom 1 · Jul 24, 2019

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Much is happening up here in Canada; the popularity of our present Government is falling like a stone; yet they persist on pushing an agenda that their own polls show to be unpopular.

Rumor has it, that this coming week the Liberal Government will announce and "order in council" banning AR15 rifles, and most other semi-automatic weapons, meaning they will be classed as Prohibited. This will likely mean a delayed confiscation (A new Prohib class would be created, grandfathered prohib licenses would be issued to all who currently posses these firearms; but at the death of the individual, or if the license lapses, they would need to be surrendered to the Police).

While legal, an order in council is made at the Cabinet level, and there is no precedent for an OIC to result in the confication of private property. (they have done so with others such as the AK47 but through parliamentary bills, through parliament; this is better, as all of the MPs get a say.).

So far the result has been a massive buy-out of virtually every AR at ever dealer in Canada; including components. Dealers are not restocking for fear that they will have unsaleable stock by the middle of next week.

AR15 are already restricted; there is talk of other firearms, including handguns. We will know by the end of next week.

Please keep Canada in your prayers.

Mark

Pray that they can have guns?

St. Helens · Jul 24, 2019

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SJP51 · Jul 24, 2019

It is true that in Amercia (and I suppose elsewhere) there is certainly division between political parties regarding all things "liberal" and "conservative". But, respectfully, I suggest that you reconsider that advocating for or against gun control is not merely a "political" position. I feel the issue transcends politics and enters the realm of God given human rights, freedom, public safety, and good vs. evil. Where one stands on this issue and why is important and necessary to discuss.

I've seen far too many forums that are fully one side or the other. Where anyone with an oposing view was slammed and belittled. I had hoped a Christian Forums would allow civil discussion between brothers.

I see that a post of mine in this thread was deleted. That's too bad. I did offer information, indeed facts on the subject meant soley to enlighten and I was not abusive in any way.

The Church is devided on many issues. Gun Control, gay rights, gay marriage, gay pastors, abortion and the list grows as more and more congregations lose their way. If we cannot discuss them here, where can they be discussed?

Darkhorse · Jul 24, 2019

They can be discussed in OTHER sections of Christian Forums (like Ethics and Morality, Christian Philosophy and Ethics, etc.) - NOT the Firearms section!

You're new here; it takes awhile to learn your way around.

Willie T · Jul 24, 2019

marineimaging said:
I had to change the grip on mine due to the angle. It would hurt my wrist after about 200-300 shots. Now the few degrees makes all the difference in the world. I can let 500 or more rounds fly before I even notice any strain. It is wonderful to live in a country where federals are not going to come busting the gate down to arrest the folks who happen to own and shoot a modern sporting rifle. (I'll be glad when they revert to allow full automatic and suppressors without federal intervention.) Anyway, very nice assembly.

Excellent! I wonder how many people know an AR-15 is just like any other sporting rifle (semi-automatic), just physically constructed differently.

JackRT · Jul 24, 2019

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Thanks; The Maple Leaf Forever should, in my mind still be our national anthem!

OK but the newer version --- the original version is irredeemably imperialistic.

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 27, 2019

JackRT said:
OK but the newer version --- the original version is irredeemably imperialistic.

Not "irredeemably" but historically correct (which many revisionists confuse with "politicall correctness".

We remained part of the the British Empire, and later the British Commonwealth, so it is "historically" correct. We still ceremoniously remain part of the British Empire in that all laws (provincial, federal) must receive "Royal Assent" by our Governor General, and Lieutenant Governors, our provincial highways are still legally called "The Queens Highways", and all land not owned by private individuals or corporations remain "Crown Land"; a "Mace" is carried in at the opening of Federal and Provincial parliaments as a symbol of the "Authority of the Crown"

From the outside looking in, the US appears to many, including Canadians who know the history of both our countries, to be "Imperialistic". Be mindful the the US did invade Upper Canada in British North America (war of 1812); then later in the 1800s we had to yet again repel unprovoked invasions from the south.

From Wikipedia:

"The Maple Leaf Forever" is a Canadian song written by Alexander Muir (1830–1906) in 1867, the year of Canada's Confederation.[1] He wrote the work after serving with the Queen's Own Rifles of Toronto in the Battle of Ridgeway against the Fenians in 1866.
Fenian withdrawal
The battle at Ridgeway was followed by a Fenian victory later in the afternoon over the heavily outnumbered Canadian volunteer Welland Field Battery (armed as an infantry unit) and the Dunnville Naval Brigade at Fort Erie. Nevertheless, the rapid convergence of large British and Canadian reinforcements convinced many of the Fenians to return in haste to the United States – some on logs, on rafts, or by swimming. O'Neill and 850 Fenians[15] surrendered their arms to waiting U.S. authorities. In his book, 1916: The Easter Rising, Tim Pat Coogan said the force was described at the time as the Irish Republican Army.

Constitutionally, both the war of 1812 and the Feenian raids were illegal, in that American Militias, they were only allowed to defend US soil, not invade foreign soil.

Now moving back on topic; we don't have a 2nd amendment, but we do have history, and historically in the case of the war of 1812 and the Feenian raids, it was not just our British, later Canadian regiments who defended (not invaded) but private individuals both British Subjects and First Nations peoples (for example; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh), who armed themselves to defend our sovereignty. We have always had the right to have firearms, until a Liberal government decided it was a privilege, not a right.

Someone (I think it was an American) stated "if we fail to heed history, we are destined to repeat it". Unfortunately, "historically correctness" is all but dead in this day and age; and human kind keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

If you want more examples, there are lots. I'm not an imperialist, but I am an (amateur) Historian.

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 27, 2019

Tom Farebrother said:
Pray that they can have guns?

No, for deliverance from a repressive government. Irrational gun control that achieves nothing is but a symptom of a broken system.

JackRT · Jul 27, 2019

MarkRohfrietsch said:
If you want more examples, there are lots. I'm not an imperialist, but I am an (amateur) Historian.

As am I.

MarkRohfrietsch · Jul 27, 2019

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Not "irredeemably" but historically correct (which many revisionists confuse with "politicall correctness".

We remained part of the the British Empire, and later the British Commonwealth, so it is "historically" correct. We still ceremoniously remain part of the British Empire in that all laws (provincial, federal) must receive "Royal Assent" by our Governor General, and Lieutenant Governors, our provincial highways are still legally called "The Queens Highways", and all land not owned by private individuals or corporations remain "Crown Land"; a "Mace" is carried in at the opening of Federal and Provincial parliaments as a symbol of the "Authority of the Crown"

From the outside looking in, the US appears to many, including Canadians who know the history of both our countries, to be "Imperialistic". Be mindful the the US did invade Upper Canada in British North America (war of 1812); then later in the 1800s we had to yet again repel unprovoked invasions from the south.

From Wikipedia:

"The Maple Leaf Forever" is a Canadian song written by Alexander Muir (1830–1906) in 1867, the year of Canada's Confederation.[1] He wrote the work after serving with the Queen's Own Rifles of Toronto in the Battle of Ridgeway against the Fenians in 1866.
Fenian withdrawal
The battle at Ridgeway was followed by a Fenian victory later in the afternoon over the heavily outnumbered Canadian volunteer Welland Field Battery (armed as an infantry unit) and the Dunnville Naval Brigade at Fort Erie. Nevertheless, the rapid convergence of large British and Canadian reinforcements convinced many of the Fenians to return in haste to the United States – some on logs, on rafts, or by swimming. O'Neill and 850 Fenians[15] surrendered their arms to waiting U.S. authorities. In his book, 1916: The Easter Rising, Tim Pat Coogan said the force was described at the time as the Irish Republican Army.

Constitutionally, both the war of 1812 and the Feenian raids were illegal, in that American Militias, they were only allowed to defend US soil, not invade foreign soil.

Now moving back on topic; we don't have a 2nd amendment, but we do have history, and historically in the case of the war of 1812 and the Feenian raids, it was not just our British, later Canadian regiments who defended (not invaded) but private individuals both British Subjects and First Nations peoples (for example; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh), who armed themselves to defend our sovereignty. We have always had the right to have firearms, until a Liberal government decided it was a privilege, not a right.

Someone (I think it was an American) stated "if we fail to heed history, we are destined to repeat it". Unfortunately, "historically correctness" is all but dead in this day and age; and human kind keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

If you want more examples, there are lots. I'm not an imperialist, but I am an (amateur) Historian.

It was drawn to my attention that I made an historic error regarding the US constitution; I posted that it was the 5th amendment, when it should have read 2nd see bold and red above.

Many thanks Darkhorse, it is much appreciated!

Mark

Silverback · Sep 18, 2019

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Since they have been controled as restricted, not one has been used in a crime in Canada. (present system is working). This is simply a way of pandering to those outside the firearms community; creating fear and buying votes for the now grievously failing liberal government.

Prohibiting and confiscating private property of legal owners will still do nothing to take the guns out of the hands of criminals, who seem to be able to get guns smuggled in the from US/Europe eastern mostly/and the far east. Never registered, never controlled.

For those who question why? Why does anyone need a 200 HP ski-boat; a snowmobile that will go 100+ mph? Cars that and motor cycles that will go more than 100 MPH?

Anyone of these each will cause way more death and injury than legal firearms in the whole legal firearms community.

Note also that when we see government gun crime statistics, in about equal numbers with actual firearms are homemade guns, pellet and bb guns that are used in holdups, or someone took to school for show and tell, and airsoft and paintball guns.

In england, france and Canada, vehicles were used in terror attacks; yet there is no call for banning vehicles, or particular types of vehicles, yet they are freely available, and the owners and operators are not subjected to criminal and mental background checks the way legal firearm owners are here in Canada.

GB has had strict bans in place yet in a recent BBC program, it turns out that many recent immigrants are sending their teens back to their country of origins because they are in more danger in England than they are in Kenya and other Somali and other African countries. Countries like the Czech Republic where there are no such restrictions, have less violence than GB.

Likewise, illegal gun crime is on the increase in Austrailia where there have been severe gun bans in place for a number of years.

Crime and criminals need to be targeted, not citizens that jump through every hoop just to comply with ever changing government regulations.

Get your facts straight, and offer a solution, instead of a warm and fuzzy political vote-buying festivities offered by the socialist dictatorship of a government we call the Liberal Party.

Same issues, same arguments we hear and use in the states, I hope everything goes y'all in Canada

What you said about the UK is true, you are more likely to be mugged, assaulted, or, stabbed in London, than NYC.

MarkRohfrietsch · Sep 18, 2019

Silverback said:
Same issues, same arguments we hear and use in the states, I hope everything goes y'all in Canada

What you said about the UK is true, you are more likely to be mugged, assaulted, or, stabbed in London, than NYC.

Not so much, but some do say Ehh, and others like us (regional) say Yeah instead of yes (from the German Ja). Interesting how language develops due to outside influences.

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