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Can you morally call yourself a Christian if you vote conservative.

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Hippy? Really? Advocating indiscriminate sex, the use of psychedelic and psychotropic drugs, and refusing to take a bath?
I don't think so.

Where did you ever get the idea that "hippy" meant advocating indiscriminate sex, the use of drugs, or refusing to take a bath?
I've also heard that we ate cat food and that we were all sniveling cowards, etc...
None of this is true.
How do I know?
Uh...there was a time when you would have found me in my bellbottoms, bare feet, peasant top, with my hair long and loose and banded, handing out flowers and telling people how much Jesus loves them and that we needed love, not war. I have lived on a commune with other "Jesus Freaks" and listened to Janice wail, and Arlo Guthrie sing about "Alice's Restaurant"...just like any other "Sixties Flower Child".
Yeah...we changed the world...and it was a wonderful, innocent time to grow up.
Have you taken a peek at today's young generation? Indiscriminate sex? Drugs? Whew...you gotta be kidding!
 
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Where did you ever get the idea that "hippy" meant advocating indiscriminate sex, the use of drugs, or refusing to take a bath?
I've also heard that we ate cat food and that we were all sniveling cowards, etc...
None of this is true.
How do I know?
Uh...there was a time when you would have found me in my bellbottoms, bare feet, peasant top, with my hair long and loose and banded, handing out flowers and telling people how much Jesus loves them and that we needed love, not war. I have lived on a commune with other "Jesus Freaks" and listened to Janice wail, and Arlo Guthrie sing about "Alice's Restaurant"...just like any other "Sixties Flower Child".
Yeah...we changed the world...and it was a wonderful, innocent time to grow up.
Have you taken a peek at today's young generation? Indiscriminate sex? Drugs? Whew...you gotta be kidding!

I wore bell bottoms too and had some real funky shirts to go with it. I loved Alice's Restaurant. I was a liberal back then, and a Christian. After I turned thirty something I became a conservative. And my Christian faith has only gotten stronger over the years. Imagine that! (I also had tons of hair down to my shoulders....now I'm bald. ) ! But no drugs for me ever. And then sex thing? Indiscriminately? I never saw that.
 
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I wore bell bottoms too and had some real funky shirts to go with it. I loved Alice's Restaurant. I was a liberal back then, and a Christian. After I turned thirty something I became a conservative. And my Christian faith has only gotten stronger over the years. Imagine that! (I also had tons of hair down to my shoulders....now I'm bald. ) ! But no drugs for me ever. And then sex thing? Indiscriminately? I never saw that.
Yeah, I was a liberal in those long-ago days, too. Let's face it, Papa...it was our generation that opened up the closet door. Who knew what horrors lay within?
I think it was having kids that opened my eyes. I can't see how anyone could be a parent and be a liberal...especially if they are also Christians. I certainly never wanted this kind of a world for my children!
I did do a little pot back in the day, I have to confess. But I honestly don't remember any "indiscriminate sex" going on.
 
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...it was our generation that opened up the closet door. Who knew what horrors lay within?

I thought you were against legal sanction or other forced suppression of homosexuals?
 
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I thought you were against legal sanction or other forced suppression of homosexuals?
My hippie days are long ago and far away. I have seen the monster we turned loose with our need to be free...and he scares the stuffing out of me.
Some fifteen years or so ago, when I first became aware of the "gay rights movement", I wondered what all the fuss was about. I actually said "If the church were going to raise this much dust, they should have don it when we gave them the right to adopt and raise kids. Now, they are living together, raising kids together, paying bills together...might as well give 'em the license and have done with it."
I listened to the arguments, and I had to agree...yes, "marriage" as we were brought up to view it, is a sacrament, ordained by God, and peculiar to the church. Of course, I know that is a pretty narrow POV, but I did think "civil union" was a reasonable compromise. The gay community disagreed. It began to look to me a whole lot as if that silly "gay manifesto" thing might not be as silly as I had thought...
But, I thought, what the hey...I might not like it, but it isn't up to me to choose for other people. I was beginning to get uncomfortable with it, but I was still willing to concede their right to be joined in "marriage".

Then, I took my girls to Pensacola. We went somewhere and ate Chinese together, and then they wanted to hit the mall, so I headed that way. I suppose I should have realized something was going on, but I really wasn't paying that much attention, till my girls heard the commotion, and we went to see...and there, in all their glory, came a "pride parade". Looking from my soon-to-be young women, to the disgusting display of half naked men cavorting in the street, my whole attitude changed.
While they stood there, giggling at some seriously ugly fat guy in his nude spandex tights that just wouldn't stay up around his chub, revealing the nasty looking sores on his pock marked butt, what was I thinking? "This is the world my girls are going to raise their kids in?"
And, yes...my whole attitude changed.
I can only think that others, who are "cool" with this, have not truly seen what is lurking beneath the surface.
 
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And, yes...my whole attitude changed.

The horror of seeing people you find unattractive in public changed your view? As I asked in the post that spawned this one, you have said you are against government sanction against homosexuals or people taking the matter into their own hands so what exactly do you want? What did your view change to after seeing the horror of that mans behind?

I can only think that others, who are "cool" with this, have not truly seen what is lurking beneath the surface.

Which are what? You keep hinting at something but not being able to read your mind I have no idea what it is.
 
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The horror of seeing people you find unattractive in public changed your view? As I asked in the post that spawned this one, you have said you are against government sanction against homosexuals or people taking the matter into their own hands so what exactly do you want? What did your view change to after seeing the horror of that mans behind?

Up until then, it was just words. Just words.
Now, there it was, in the flesh. The man's nasty butt, for all the world to see, as he danced along with the other men, making his obscene pelvic thrusts and jiggling his...umm...well jiggling...I still shudder to think about it. Up until then, all I had was, as I said, words. Now, here was the ugly visual. And it shocked some sense into me.
Gay pride parades are almost like inviting the public into the bedroom. I mean, the visual there was overwhelming.
I could almost imagine the poop dripping from the men around this guy, from their hands and from their...uh...well, from their bodies...because, you know, sodomy involves playing in poop, which is what the anus does...and, let's face it, poop is not a great substance for playing in. There are some very nasty critters living in poop. Not to mention that unlike the vagina, the anus is not made to accommodate the male at full mast. The tissue is tender, and easily broken, and those nasty critters I mentioned can infiltrate the body. Staph infection is not a pretty way to die...I've stood at the bedside, but that is another horror story. I understand AIDS isn't terribly pleasant either. And while I do understand that these infections can and are spread in other ways, still, sodomy is not a terribly good idea, as medical science has shown.

Which are what? You keep hinting at something but not being able to read your mind I have no idea what it is.

There is a reason why gay sex is an abomination. And I think it might have something to do with disease. You know, like AIDS, and Staph, which is becoming more resistant to medications...people dying.
Not to mention the attack on the family. Of course, that began with "no-fault divorce", so you really can't blame it all on gays.
Kids need two parents...a male Daddy and a female Mommy. Why? Because there are fundamental differences between the sexes, and I'm not just talking about genitals, although that, too, is a problem. Two Mommies are going to find it rather difficult to potty train a baby boy, and I don't even want to think about a young teenaged girl learning "the facts of life" from two Dads.
Our kids are being taught that gay sex is "natural" when there is nothing natural about it.
People are actually trying to choose "genderless" names for their kids, as if naming a boy "David" or "John" would pre-dispose him toward heterosexuality. I always think of that ridiculous song about "A Boy Named Sue"...do you remember it? The "Sue" in that song was definitely NOT gay...
And they are learning that the phrase "Mom and Dad" is a no-no...because, of course, it might offend another kid whose parents are two men or two women.
It's a crazy world right now...maybe it'll calm down in a few years, and people will be more accepting...seeing as we have no choice. After all, we learn to accept, don't we? Sometimes it is right that a we should...but do you think it is always a good thing to accept what feels wrong to you? I'm not so sure any more...
And maybe the closet we opened will divulge even more perversion...like that group in Minnesota that want to be joined in a polygamous marriage. I don't see how they can be refused, can you? And I have already heard NAMBLA rumbling about lowering the age of consent...and why not? Isn't already legal for a man in his fifties to marry a girl just out of her teens? Why not a man in his fifties with a younger man? Does the idea of a guy in his forties or fifties sodomizing a boy in his teens disgust you? It should. Of course the idea of a man in his forties or fifties having sex with a girl in her teens is also disgusting, I'll give you that...but it is legal, and now it is legal both ways.
What's to keep the "fuzzies" from lobbying for their "rights"? After all, if someone who is severely retarded can sign with an "X", why can't Fluffy sign with a paw print?
"Slippery slope", you say? Perhaps. But here we are...
 
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Up until then, it was just words. Just words.
Now, there it was, in the flesh. The man's nasty butt, for all the world to see...

That's quite the lurid fantasy. It does not however answer my question, what did it change your stance to other then just eww? Large fines? Prison time? Involuntary psychiatric care? Chemical castration?
 
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Yeah, I was a liberal in those long-ago days, too. Let's face it, Papa...it was our generation that opened up the closet door. Who knew what horrors lay within?
I think it was having kids that opened my eyes. I can't see how anyone could be a parent and be a liberal...especially if they are also Christians. I certainly never wanted this kind of a world for my children!
I did do a little pot back in the day, I have to confess. But I honestly don't remember any "indiscriminate sex" going on.
It was the generation of the sexual revolution. But most of my hippie friends were liberals and probably socialists too. It's odd that the OP asks the question of compatibility between being a conservative and a Christian when one would think it'd be the other way around. The OP asks, "Can you morally call yourself a Christian if you vote conservative?" Considering liberalism today, I'd have to say the OP doesn't understand conservative values.
 
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It was the generation of the sexual revolution. But most of my hippie friends were liberals and probably socialists too. It's odd that the OP asks the question of compatibility between being a conservative and a Christian when one would think it'd be the other way around. The OP asks, "Can you morally call yourself a Christian if you vote conservative?" Considering liberalism today, I'd have to say the OP doesn't understand conservative values.
I'd have to agree.

BTW, I love the picture in your signature. I'm fond of saying that if you are following a crowd you are going the wrong way...but your rock tells it with more pizzazz...
 
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I'd have to agree.

BTW, I love the picture in your signature. I'm fond of saying that if you are following a crowd you are going the wrong way...but your rock tells it with more pizzazz...

Would this then mean, that non believers who don't follow the majority (the crowd) who believe in a God, are doing the right thing and not going the wrong way by following the crowd?
 
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Lurid fantasy?\

Yes. That was a rather graphic fantasy you made up about the sexual activity of strangers. That there are real health concerns involved does not change your making up lurid fantasy about strangers into anything other then that.

Now again, what was your view changed to other then eww? You have said stoning is out what then would be the proper punishment?
 
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Punishment? Isn't the pain and humiliation involved punishment enough? Aren't the very real health concerns real enough?

I never really thought about these things until I saw this big bare butt wiggling and jiggling before my eyes. Lurid fantasy? More like nightmare. True, I don't have any idea what the guy's sex life really is like...and I'm sure I do not wish to know.
Those nasty sores were too much for me...and I generally have a pretty strong stomach, but that apparition made me queasy. It's not my fault dude went marching down a main street in a big city dressed in nude spandex a size or two too small for him. He could have decided to leave the parade when it became obvious that the spandex was not going to stay in place. And I'm pretty sure my girls were not the only ones who noticed.

Was my view changed to other than "ewww"? LOL, let's say, instead, that the "eww" factor is what changed my view.
God has said that gay sex is an abomination. That should have been the end, for me. But no. I had to see a nasty butt wriggling down the street to convince me. That is to my shame.

As far as punishment goes...that is up to God.
 
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Would this then mean, that non believers who don't follow the majority (the crowd) who believe in a God, are doing the right thing and not going the wrong way by following the crowd?

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able
 
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Punishment? Isn't the pain and humiliation involved punishment enough? Aren't the very real health concerns real enough?

Yes, punishment. You keep repeating how awful it was that the closet was opened but ignore why it existed in the first place, it was enforced if people wanted to be allowed to function in society or maintain their freedom. Which one do you want, people allowed out or forced back in?
 
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Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able

Very vague.
 
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Yes, punishment. You keep repeating how awful it was that the closet was opened but ignore why it existed in the first place, it was enforced if people wanted to be allowed to function in society or maintain their freedom. Which one do you want, people allowed out or forced back in?

I see. If it were up to me, I suppose we'd put 'em back in...but how to do that humanely?
Good point.
Perhaps we could stop coddling them?
 
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