Can you morally call yourself a Christian if you vote conservative.

[dogs4thewin]

There are over 2,000 Biblical verses in which scripture demands Christians tend to the needs of the poor.

"Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God" Luke 6 20-26

"But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just."

Luke 14:13-14

That's just a sample so lets stop pretending Jesus was not a socialist.

For the more times than I can count time If someone NEEDS help I am glad to help them in whatever way I can, HOWEVER, Jesus said NOTHING about enabling people BIG difference.

 

[daleksteve]

For the more times than I can count time If someone NEEDS help I am glad to help them in whatever way I can, HOWEVER, Jesus said NOTHING about enabling people BIG difference.

Enabling people to do what exactly?

I feel a Victorian idle poor argument coming in your response.

It comes down to the old classic deserving and undeserving poor argument it seems.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

I say not cause you go against Christs values but it will interesting to see what others think.

THis subject matter is quite hilarious to me ., because conservatism is the central theme of The Bible . In fact, it is ultra conservative where morals and ethics are concerned for proper holy and righteous living . Such are absolute moral laws prescribed by our Creator and they are a demonstration of love and protection for us . Christs life and how he interacted with Others, showed the epitomie of moral conduct , so,............if you give yourself the label of being conservative, you are in harmony with Gods Word unless Ones idea of conservatism encapsulates such things as worldly philosophies . I see a good many professed CHristians who would classify themselves as conservative but they exude a lot of wordly liberalism --- oftentimes without a shred of shame by even advertising it . Most of our Churches are this way now because they allowed the world to infestate their thinking just as The Bible said would occur in the last days.

 

[Albion]

There are over 2,000 Biblical verses in which scripture demands Christians tend to the needs of the poor.

...and not a single one in which Christians are urged either to pass the buck to the government or steal the necessary money from other people.

That's just a sample so lets stop pretending Jesus was not a socialist.

No pretending needed. He wasn't a Socialist, and people who think we was one just don't understand what Socialism is.

 

[Dave-W]

I guess that depends on how Marxist you want your socialism to be. (no private property - no government)

Or is a "socialist" someone who wants to stand between me and all the undue profits I can get my greedy little hands on?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Enabling people to do what exactly?

I feel a Victorian idle poor argument coming in your response.

It comes down to the old classic deserving and undeserving poor argument it seems.

A little sleep, a little slumber,
a little folding of the hands to rest,
and poverty will come upon you like a robber,
and want like an armed man.

Proverbs 6:10-11 (ESV)

Idleness isn't the only cause of poverty, but it certainly doesn't help, and if you want to help the poor, it's the last thing you want to encourage.

 

[brinny]

Can you morally call yourself a Christian if you vote conservative.

LOL! Wut?

 

[dogs4thewin]

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Enabling people to do what exactly?

I feel a Victorian idle poor argument coming in your response.

It comes down to the old classic deserving and undeserving poor argument it seems.

enabling them to remain poor because they would have no reason to want to improve their situation if we gave them everything they need plus some. For example, allowing them to purchase ANY food with their food stamps and not just basic. things You do not need a streak or the finest seafood. I would be in favor of doing food stamps like they do WIC. That is they can ONLY buy certain foods with the benefit and they must buy the cheapest brand. I can see giving them a BASIC cell phone with a few free minutes simply for work purposes not texing or 1000 free minutes. If you NEED help that is fine, however if you are going to rely on the government for your basic needs then you should not EXPECT to be able to get the same things the people footing the bill do if they can afford it.

 

[Marius27]

THis subject matter is quite hilarious to me ., because conservatism is the central theme of The Bible . In fact, it is ultra conservative where morals and ethics are concerned for proper holy and righteous living .

Wrong, the Pharisees were the ultra conservatives and Jesus criticized them constantly.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Wrong, the Pharisees were the ultra conservatives and Jesus criticized them constantly.

That doesn't imply He was endorsing the Saducees...

 

[Marius27]

That doesn't imply He was endorsing the Saducees...

The Sadducees were very conservative as well. They, unlike the Pharisees, rejected the Oral Law, and strictly followed the Torah. They served in the temples performing sacrifices as the priesthood, collected taxes, and served on the Sanhedrin along with the Pharisees.

Of the 3 major sects in that period, the Essenes would likely be considered the most liberal. They mostly led ascetic lives, rejected sacrifice, opposed slavery, lived a communal, collective ownership group headed by a leader, controlled their tempers and served as peace makers, rejected carrying weapons unless to protect against robbers, didn't eat meat, etc.

Seeing as I don't recall any mention of the Essenes by Jesus and his words only being directed at the Conservative sects, it would seem Jesus had less issue with the liberals.

 

[Dave-W]

Actually the Essenes could be considered conservative as well. They were "liberal" ONLY in the sense that they rejected the norms of the temple system. They considered the temple priests (Sadducees) and the synagogue leaders (Pharisees) to be corrupt So they withdrew from general society - not unlike some radical isolationist cult group such as the followers of Jim Jones.

Of all of the various groups of Jews in the first century (Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, Zealots, Helenists) they are the ONLY one never even hinted at in the NT.

 

[Dave-W]

Seeing as I don't recall any mention of the Essenes by Jesus and his words only being directed at the Conservative sects, it would seem Jesus had less issue with the liberals.

The only "liberals" (and I use the term loosely) were the Pharisees who were from the school of Hillel (where Paul went) The ultra conservative Pharisees were from the school of Shammai, and from their arguments, it seems they were the ones Our Lord constantly fought with.

HIS doctrinal statements usually fell somewhere between Hillel and Shammai, one the whole.

 

[lupusFati]

Are we really arguing what political party Jesus may or may not have applied to?

Have we really sunk that low?

 

[RDKirk]

Are we really arguing what political party Jesus may or may not have applied to?

Have we really sunk that low?

Jesus is the king. Everyone else is a wannabee usurper.

 

[sahjimira]

I do. Not that the republicans r angels. I was a Democrat for years. Then one year I saw the Democratic convention on TV..wow, looked like a circus and people holding up signs promoting things I didn't believe in anymore. I switched to republicans cause I felt they may try and uphold some of my Christian beliefs. So in essence
I cchanged platforms u could say

 

[Wayte]

Of course they can morally convince themselves to vote conservative. The Republican party has very successfully sensationalized and then championed certain issues to make themselves the Christian party, regardless of how little like Christ all their policies outside these few purposely-polarizing topics are.

Hook line and sinker, yo.