Can you morally call yourself a Christian if you vote conservative.

[Near]

Why do you need your religion in the public, where it impacts other people, who may not agree with your religion?

Is it not good enough, to be able to; go to the church of your choosing, worship the God of your choosing, teach your kids the religion of your choosing and to worship your religion all you like in your private life?

Generally, christians believe in spreading the gospel; and being sources of enlightenment to people so they may eventually believe in Christ for salvation. We're supposed to impact people; especially the ones who disagree with Christianity. It's not good enough to be quiet about our own beliefs; not only should our own children be taught our religion, but it's good for children from other religions to convert to Christianity as well.

That's a constitutionally protected right (evangelizing).

In response to the OP, yeah, especially if a person is a christian conservative.

 

[rltrdc]

I have a greater issue with the Democratic Party.
How can Christians support open encouragement of the wholesale slaughter of the unborn?
How can Christians support the redefinition of marriage from God's ordained union to anyone wanting sex with each other?
How can Christians support a party whose national chairman can't come up with any difference between what they believe and socialism?

The Democratic Party lost its moral compass when it fully supported Bill Clinton, a know rapist and perjurer, throughout one of the most corrupt administrations in history. They went so far as to marvel at his ability to lie; some even lecturing us an how lying could be a good thing. Democrats like Zel Miller had enough, but it was too little too late. The party had kicked God out of its platform and was spiraling into an abyss of moral relativism where any lie that achieved its objective was a good lie.

The Republican Party isn't much better. After generations of being out of power they forgot how to lead; how to make a bold stand for the American way of life. The establishment has chosen to become center-left; acting as a lighter version of Democrats. When they control both houses of Congress, they kowtow to Obama and willfully fund the programs they swore to defund. Rather than taking a stand for the Constitution, they punt on overreaching executive authority and shift the heavy lifting to four liberals, three conservatives and two confused old men in the Supreme Court. That isn't leadership.

The hope for America lies in new candidates unstained by the malaise of the establishment. People like Scott Walker or Rand Paul who will stand up for what they believe in whether they stand alone or not. We haven't seen such people on the Democratic side. A cadre of ancient men and women rule the party like their own private club and dissent is not allowed. Pro-life Democrats need not attempt to run for national office. Until these people are pushed from the seat of power and people with common sense, honor and a sense of decency are allowed in the Democratic Party will wallow in their insanity and the Republicans in their incompetence.

You see, this is why a Christian cannot vote Republican and feel good about it. This post sounds like it came from the GOP convention? Who did Clinton rape? Are the Democrats aborting babies or is it pregnant women? Why is abortion so much worse than going to war with any and every nation that looks at us cross-eyed and causing unimaginable destruction and death? Why?

Well look at it this way, while I'm sure Jesus would not have supported abortion, do you think he would have stoned the abortionist? How about the homosexual? He didn't stone the adulterer. What did he teach? Judge not, so that you will not be judged. Clear the log from your eye before removing the spec from your friends. Love your neighbor. Heck, LOVE YOUR ENEMY! Pray for them that abuse you!

The GOP thinks they are the judges of morality for everyone, and they aren't, God is the judge. They think war is the answer for everything but it isn't. They think attacking Obama and other Democrats is the right thing to do, but it isn't. They think the rich deserve a champion, and the poor deserve little to no help from society. Is that how Jesus would act and vote?

You really consider the GOP a Christian-influenced party?

Please tell me, what translation of the Bible are you reading?

Have you made it to the gospels yet?

Did you read what was written in red?

Did Jesus ask us to make war, condemn one another, and help the rich (in His name)? Did HE? Really? That's what's so disturbing about it.. they are doing all these things and telling everyone how they are Christian, and no wonder everyone hates Christians.. why wouldn't you hate Christians if you didn't know these are no followers of Christ.

 

[Albion]

You see, this is why a Christian cannot vote Republican and feel good about it. This post sounds like it came from the GOP convention?

Well, I hardly think we can sustain a claim that a Christian can't vote Republican and be moral merely because of a comment by some person on the internet. The same would hold true for voting Democrat.

 

[bhsmte]

Generally, christians believe in spreading the gospel; and being sources of enlightenment to people so they may eventually believe in Christ for salvation. We're supposed to impact people; especially the ones who disagree with Christianity. It's not good enough to be quiet about our own beliefs; not only should our own children be taught our religion, but it's good for children from other religions to convert to Christianity as well.

That's a constitutionally protected right (evangelizing).

In response to the OP, yeah, especially if a person is a christian conservative.

I never said a christian or a person of any other religion, could not evangelize and speak to others about their faith. What I was explaining was, when other people's rights are infringed upon because of a religious belief, that is when it goes too far.

 

[Near]

I never said a christian or a person of any other religion, could not evangelize and speak to others about their faith. What I was explaining was, when other people's rights are infringed upon because of a religious belief, that is when it goes too far.

What do you consider infringing to be? Can you think of some examples?

 

[bhsmte]

What do you consider infringing to be? Can you think of some examples?

A christian believing that the bible or prayer should be allowed in public schools. A baker who owns a publically accommodating business, who refuses to serve one of the public, because of their religious beliefs.

 

[Near]

Well look at it this way, while I'm sure Jesus would not have supported abortion, do you think he would have stoned the abortionist? How about the homosexual? He didn't stone the adulterer. What did he teach? Judge not, so that you will not be judged. Clear the log from your eye before removing the spec from your friends. Love your neighbor. Heck, LOVE YOUR ENEMY! Pray for them that abuse you!

He may not have stoned the abortionist, but I bet he wouldn't have prevented the legislation being passed banning abortions. Nor would I imagine him being against arresting abortionists.

The GOP thinks they are the judges of morality for everyone, and they aren't, God is the judge. They think war is the answer for everything but it isn't. They think attacking Obama and other Democrats is the right thing to do, but it isn't. They think the rich deserve a champion, and the poor deserve little to no help from society.

Why think the GOP thinks that. The GOP is composed of a large group of people with their own views. Why not single out specific people instead of referring to the GOP as a unified thing that "thinks" one thing rather than another?

 

[rltrdc]

They cling to the Republican Party (to the extent that they do. This is a notion that isn't as true as people think it is) because they only get two choices in this country.

It only makes sense not to choose the party that opposes religion in public life, religious liberty, and traditional morals, so that leaves only the other party!

Actually I think it makes more sense to choose the party that prefers peace and diplomacy, helping the poor, and not judging others.

Now, do I wish abortion was illegal? I sure do, but it was decided by the Supreme Court a long time ago, Congress can't change it without a Constitutional Amendment and I have not seen the Republicans try to start a Constiutional Amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade.

With respect to religion in public life, the Democrats favor a separation of church and state, which is how we're set up already and I have yet to hear the GOP want to institute a theocracy. I haven't heard yet how the Democrats are trying to stop Mormon's from going door to door or churches from spreading their messages or recruiting members for their congregation.

Well, I hardly think we can sustain a claim that a Christian can't vote Republican and be moral merely because of a comment by some person on the internet. The same would hold true for voting Democrat.

And what did I say in my original post? Neither represent Christ. Both have their flaws, why are Christians not organizing a truly Christ-like party?

 

[Near]

A christian believing that the bible or prayer should be allowed in public schools. A baker who owns a publically accommodating business, who refuses to serve one of the public, because of their religious beliefs.

Bible prayer should, and is allowed in public schools. I had the right to, as a child pray at my desk whenever I wanted.

I'm not too familiar with laws regarding public businesses, but if legislation (current or future) allows for people to deny others service because of religious beliefs, so be it. If, for example, current legislation does not allow a christian baker to deny certain services to homosexuals having a wedding, that christian baker should find a way out of the position of having to, by law, preform such services, and if possible find a way to sell cakes only to certain people if he wishes to continue his business.

 

[bhsmte]

Bible prayer should, and is allowed in public schools. I had the right to, as a child pray at my desk whenever I wanted.

I'm not too familiar with laws regarding public businesses, but if legislation (current or future) allows for people to deny others service because of religious beliefs, so be it. If current legislation does not allow a christian baker to deny certain services to homosexuals having a wedding, that christian baker should find a way out of the position of having to, by law, preform such services, and if possible find a way to sell cakes only to certain people if he wishes to continue his business.

Praying at your desk and it becoming part of the classroom are two different things.

And, anti discrimination laws have long been geared to provide equal rights, in public accommodating businesses. If a christian baker has a public business, they can not discriminate against a protected class without breaking the law. Of course, they could make their business private, if they want to discriminate, but most don't want to lose the advantage of serving the public in general.

 

[rltrdc]

He may not have stoned the abortionist, but I bet he wouldn't have prevented the legislation being passed banning abortions. Nor would I imagine him being against arresting abortionists.


Why think the GOP thinks that. The GOP is composed of a large group of people with their own views. Why not single out specific people instead of referring to the GOP as a unified thing that "thinks" one thing rather than another?

The platform is pretty well established, the party line is pretty well adhered to, and that is another major problem is that there are very few risk takers who will cross the party line with independent thinking. You're right, Jesus would favor abolishing abortion. I doubt he would have voted for all these wars though. He wouldn't even let Peter cut off a man's ear who was taking him to his death without rebuke, do you think he'd be for causing countless civilian deaths of people who have made it out of the womb?

Anyways, back to basics, I'm not claiming the Dems are Jesus followers, as I said my problem is Christians seem to think the GOP really represents a Christian faith, which I do not see at all. And I think, if choosing between two evils, the Dems are the lesser of the evils. They work for peace, the poor, and people of all walks of life. They give people choice, and people often times choose wrong. God surely knows this already, he gave us free will and we messed up from the very first generation, but he didn't take choice away from us and he gives us so many chances. I do have about a thousand problems with the Democrats, but possibly five thousand problems with the GOP. As Christians and Americans, we have simply been too lazy and complacent to rise up create a party or system that will give Americans a good choice and now we are not in good hands. Big money has entrenched itself and it is hard to see a way in which we can change the system without a major uprising or revival type movement. Forget that, Dancing with the Stars is on, let's just keep the 2 party system going so we don't have to be bothered. Who cares what kind of country the next generation inherits, or how many trillions of dollars of debt. Let's keep thinking our party is good and the other is evil.. that sure has worked in the past...

 

[Near]

Praying at your desk and it becoming part of the classroom are two different things.

And, anti discrimination laws have long been geared to provide equal rights, in public accommodating businesses. If a christian baker has a public business, they can not discriminate against a protected class without breaking the law. Of course, they could make their business private, if they want to discriminate, but most don't want to lose the advantage of serving the public in general.

I'd bet public schools wouldn't have religion mandated prayer, and I think legislation doesn't allow for it either. If parents or religious groups want to have prayer a part of classroom activities, there are religious-based schools for that; there's always the option of home-schooling.

As for Christian bakers, they ought to make their businesses private if that's the case; it would be a necessary sacrifice.

 

[RDKirk]

Unable to get voted into office.

That's basically true. I believe it is impossible for an uncompromising Christian to be elected to any office higher than perhaps city councilman/alderman.

You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. -- James 4

To win a popular election of any great range requires friendship with the world.

 

[Albion]

Actually I think it makes more sense to choose the party that prefers peace and diplomacy, helping the poor, and not judging others.

Both parties can claim to do that.

Now, do I wish abortion was illegal? I sure do, but it was decided by the Supreme Court a long time ago, Congress can't change it without a Constitutional Amendment and I have not seen the Republicans try to start a Constiutional Amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade.

That would be a different issue, wouldn't it--whether those who have tended to vote for the Republicans have gotten from them what they promised.

 

[RDKirk]

What should Christians vote for? For the same thing scripture tells us to pray for:

I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. -- 1 Timothy 2

Notice how slim that agenda is: That we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

That's all the Body of Christ needs to do the mission Christ has given us: Make disciples and take care of each other. Look at how well Chinese Christians are doing with Christ's mission--a thousand new Christians a week--even though they only barely have freedom to "live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness."

 

[mindlight]

I am saved by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and the grace of God. The point is i don't deserve it, But god still saves me through Jesus.

Amen

What i hate about conservative christianity is that it picks and choose who deserves to be helped and who dose not.

Liberals do that when they fail to stand up for the unborn child. Conservatives do that when they fail to offer hope for a poor man to rise out of his poverty. Liberals do this by ignorantly supporting agendas that damage marriages, children and by blessing and affirming perversions like gay marriage for instance.

would Jesus walk past the homeless person in the street and tell him/her to get a job?

In many cases getting a job is a solution for that guys problem.

In my church we have a couple of conservative hypocrites who get more hung up on the issue of gay marriage legalization but try and justify policies that result in familes and children having to live of food banks.

Liberals are wrong on gay marriage AND conservatives are either wrong or misunderstood relating to their strategies for lifting people out of poverty.

 

[KWCrazy]

Who did Clinton rape?

Juanita Broderick, for one.
I once had a list of 17 women who had reported sexual assaults by Clinton, one of who was on Air Force One when he grabbed her breast.
Democrats ran interference to make sure the Clinton (in)justice department wasn't pressured to investigate.
Here's a few.
Given the evil that the Democrat Party covered up to maintain power, they don't have the moral authority to talk to ANYONE about morality.

Are the Democrats aborting babies or is it pregnant women?

Margret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood said it best.
Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding, and is perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents, and dependents.
Why is abortion so much worse than going to war with any and every nation that looks at us cross-eyed and causing unimaginable destruction and death? Why?

Planned Parenthood was dedicated to aborting inner city black babies because Sanger was a racist. Abortion is openly promoted within the Democratic Party. In fact, one of the first executive orders Obama signed was to reverse the Bush ban on funding abortions for other countries.

Well look at it this way, while I'm sure Jesus would not have supported abortion, do you think he would have stoned the abortionist? How about the homosexual?

Please list for me all the Republicans who have suggested stoning abortionists and homosexuals, or admit that you're using outrageous hyperbole.

The GOP thinks they are the judges of morality for everyone,

Blatently false.
The GOP believes that people who are morally opposed to abortion should not have their taxes used to fund them; nor should they be forced to fund organizations that deal in the body parts of young babies they have murdered.

They think war is the answer for everything but it isn't.

Which party's president is waging an illegal war in Syria right now without the consent of Congress?

They think the rich deserve a champion, and the poor deserve little to no help from society. Is that how Jesus would act and vote?

Ridiculous hyperbole.

You really consider the GOP a Christian-influenced party?

Nope. If they were they wouldn't be kowtowing to the Obummer agenda.

Please tell me, what translation of the Bible are you reading?

I prefer King James, but NIV is easier to read.

Have you made it to the gospels yet?
Did you read what was written in red?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Did Jesus ask us to make war, condemn one another, and help the rich (in His name)?

Which war are you talking about, the one which received almost unanimous bi-partisan support because even the Democrats realized that were facing a determined enemy whose primitive religion had him convinced that dying while murdering others of a different faith gave him immediate passage to Heaven?

You have a serious lack of credibility here. If you're trying to pass off the liberal lie that the Republicans started a war it will NOT go unanswered. Understand that it's a sin to lie about your political opponents. By the way. Do you know which president made the removal of Hussein and the establishment of democracy in Iraq official US policy?

Try Bill Clinton in 1998.

 

[Mattao]

If you blindly follow any party line it would seem you have your god and it is not the god that Christ taught.

Christ taught that Atheist are of the world and that the world would not know him.
So, obviously, you don't know Christ. There's a reason why a Christian is a Christian and if you're not one, you really dont know that reason.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Which party's president is waging an illegal war in Syria right now without the consent of Congress?

For that matter, which party presided over every major war the US fought in the twentieth century?

 

[daleksteve]

What should Christians vote for? For the same thing scripture tells us to pray for:

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Christians should vote for parties that are closer to the values of Christ and the bible. Sadly too many right wing Christians are hung up on gay Marriage and abortion and forget about social justice.