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joyinhim said:Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.
Well, falling from grace isn't as simple really as "oops, you've messed up once, now you're not saved any more." That's not what I think it is at all...otherwise I know at least one person on this thread who goes by "aggie03" that wouldn't be saved.
Falling from grace isn't even God disowning anyone - because I do believe that the Scriptures say that God will never "kicj anyone out". They do say, however, that people can leave. God will not "lock the doors" and keep someone from leaving His house.
On another note, what was the post number for our "reference" post?
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his Word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
joyinhim said:holo, you have said that you are an out cast. Why every where you go, you have so many admirers? They are almost worshipping you. and did
you noticed that every where I go I get stoned?
Do not love the world(secular) or anything in the world(secular). If anyone loves the world(secular), the love of the Father is not in him. For everything in the world - the carvings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does - comes not from the Father but from the world.
The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.[/QUOTE]
Goodness joyinhim, what are you doing?
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he apperared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Just remember, when you're pointing the finger...there are 3 fingers pointing straight back at you!!!!!!
holo, I believe the Bible is God's word.
Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saint. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly skipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of your God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
And you are misrepresenting the bible by using as a weapon as you are doing now.
But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of your Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own undodly desires." These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spritit.
There will also be wolves dressed in sheep's clothing
For this very reason, make every effor to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perserverance; and to perserverance, godliness; and to dodliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and
has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
Gosh, I hope you don't have children.
One's calling (2)
Therefore, my bothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
holo, I don't know if you are saved. Only God knows.
NO actually, I ALSO KNOW that Holo is saved. He has done nothing but shown humility and patience and long suffering while you throw accusations and judgements at him! I applaud you Holo!!!
False Teachers and therir destruction (1)
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the soverieign Lord who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teaches will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
And I'm looking at one
holo, you have said that you are an out cast. Why every where you go, you have so many admirers? They are almost worshipping you. and did
you noticed that every where I go I get stoned?
There is no worshipping - there is admiration!! And yes, everywhere you go you do get stoned...because, friend you're not being like Jesus, not at all! I find you quite hypocritical actually...very much so! And it saddens me.
Doesn't the bible say that we will know them by their love, or fruits, or something like that?
Deu, I am only telling the things that most Christians and pastors are not doing. His whole teaching should be honored and respected. I am telling you that you are missing so much blessings.
You are saying it so nicely but reality is that you are stoning me for telling the whole truth about His teaching.
Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.
TreeOfLife said:Somebody has become my "proof study" that it is impossible to lose one's salvation. I'm not mentioning any names mind you, but the proof is good enough for me!
OreGal said:I still maintain that if somebody truly knew Christ from the beginning they wouldn't lose their salvation...so maybe for the people you think 'lost' their salvation, they just never Him to begin. I'd have to believe once you truly accept the love God has for you, you couldn't help but be in awe.
TreeOfLife said:LOL...I think she is saved no matter what she does. That might even completely whig her out, but that's what I believe!
Godzchild said:I'm actually very upset at seeing this. I'm very sad for Joyinhim and I feel so sorry for Holo at the moment.
I hope and pray that Joyinhim sees what she is doing and actually gets joy in him one day. I pray for you darl! You really need it.
Well, yes, you can teach with whatever emphasis you wish. If you wish it to be on the moral laxity of those around you, then go right ahead. The thing I object to is your judgemntal attitude to those here, without really knowing if they're hypocrits or not. Some people may have a different motivation for doing the good than you do, and, I may be wrong here, but you seem to look down on them.joyinhim said:Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.
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