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Godzchild said:The bible also says that the HOly Spirit will guide and convict them to turn back. The bible also says that Christ will go looking for his sheep and his sheep hear his voice and follow him.
I have turned my back on Christ at one point in my life and I came back. What made me come back?I remained saved!
aggie03 said:Jesus did come to look for the lost sheep when he came to the earth. He then provided a way for the lost sheep to come back. Can a person choose to leave God? The answer must be yes or a person cannot choose to come to God.
This is also something that the Bible says can happen. There is a difference between someone who leaves for a little while and someone who utterly forsakes. This doesn't prove that one is incapable of leaving God.
holo said:As long as I'm able to make choices, I suppose I can choose to say "no" to Jesus. But I don't know why I would ever want to do anything like that. But yeah, I guess I'm free to leave.
However, I can never "fall" from salvation. I can't stumble or sin so much that grace is no longer sufficient.
Thank you kind sir!TreeOfLife said:Do you understand how stunningly uncommon this revelation of Grace is that you've been given?
In your past posts I have read somebody who abjectly understands. Who has beguiled you to think that the purchase made for you is in your hands?
Stand up brother. Cast those chains off.
holo said:Thank you kind sir!
Yes, I often feel alone in thoughts and experiences with grace, but I keep in mind that I used to be a legalist in one form or another my entire life, and it did take some time to get my mind and heart renewed, so to speak.
The best part is, I'm just getting started!
And I see that people from all around are slowly and surely getting to know this wonderful grace and growing out of those slimy chains. Old thought patterns have a tendency to crawl back into your head, but here, too, God's love casts out all fear.
He is our righteousness. His grace breaks me so much more than commandments could ever do. His grace makes me bow lower to Him than fear ever did.
I never use those pesky little smilies, but Lord, this one's for you -
holo said:Thank you kind sir!
Yes, I often feel alone in thoughts and experiences with grace, but I keep in mind that I used to be a legalist in one form or another my entire life, and it did take some time to get my mind and heart renewed, so to speak.
The best part is, I'm just getting started!
And I see that people from all around are slowly and surely getting to know this wonderful grace and growing out of those slimy chains. Old thought patterns have a tendency to crawl back into your head, but here, too, God's love casts out all fear.
He is our righteousness. His grace breaks me so much more than commandments could ever do. His grace makes me bow lower to Him than fear ever did.
joyinhim said:holo, people know all about grace. What they don't know is showing their appreciation with action. Faith without deed is dead: This is what you should start to preach. It's not being told. We don't see much Jesus around us. It's because most of us are lip servicing christians. It's so easy to say we love jusus. If pastors start talk about our responsibilities as Chrisyians they lose most of their members. We have lazy and spoilded generation.
TreeOfLife said:Is there any chance at all that you could be more condemming? If so, you know why don't you just really get with it? Go for it! Hit me!
Hit me!
Go for it if it makes you feel like you actually know Jesus.
Beat me with everything you have stored up inside of you. Truely. Hit me. I can take it and you will feel better.
Not a problem I am glad to do it. Hit me.
I am not kidding. Hit me with all the anger you have. I will take it and pray you forgive me for the pain I have caused you. I am so sorry.
joyinhim said:Well, I think this country needs more people speak up for the truth. But I can hardly find any..
I think I am leaving this CF very soon. I am tired of this country's hypocricy.
TreeOfLife said:Well. That has not one thing to do with anything I said. You do know that you have no love at all in anything you post right?
You do realise you do not know Love right?
I am assuming here that you really do mean to be as hurtful as you possibly can, and that you do this because of the dark nature of your own soul?
Or have I missed something?
I could be wrong.
TreeOfLife said:Well. That has not one thing to do with anything I said. You do know that you have no love at all in anything you post right?
You do realise you do not know Love right?
I am assuming here that you really do mean to be as hurtful as you possibly can, and that you do this because of the dark nature of your own soul?
Or have I missed something?
I could be wrong.
Jesus did come to look for the lost sheep when he came to the earth. He then provided a way for the lost sheep to come back. Can a person choose to leave God? The answer must be yes or a person cannot choose to come to God.
This is also something that the Bible says can happen. There is a difference between someone who leaves for a little while and someone who utterly forsakes. This doesn't prove that one is incapable of leaving God.
Christians are new creations in Christ because of what Christ has done. Only Christ would be able to undo it, and for Him to do so would require that He didn't know something. Namely, that one of His children would want to run from Him after becoming saved. The very notion makes God out to be either less than all knowing, or in subjection to His own creation.
holo, people know all about grace. What they don't know is showing their appreciation with action. Faith without deed is dead: This is what you should start to preach. It's not being told. We don't see much Jesus around us. It's because most of us are lip servicing christians. It's so easy to say we love jusus. If pastors start talk about our responsibilities as Chrisyians they lose most of their members. We have lazy and spoilded generation.
WhyAjani said:Let's take this situation for an example...
Let's say this man discovers Christ through a life of hardship. He's a very intelligent man who is often a skeptic. Well he finds Christ and dedicates his life to him for 10 years. He was saved. Until he comes across to someone to feed him lies about how there is no evidence for Christ. His skeptic nature kicks in and he walks away from Christ because of this evidence.
He was saved from the heart. It says once you are saved you are pre-destined and you cannot be taken away from him.
So if this gentlemen is a full blown athiest now, is he still secured in heaven?
"And let's say in another situation someone was saved and 10 years later they live a life of sin."
What will happen?
Godzchild said:Sure they can choose to leave but Jesus will go and find them and bring them back! The HOly Ghost will convict...
do you know what conviction feels like? It feels like you have no choice but to comply! That's what it feels like. You have this strong strong urge to stop what you're doing and turn back, it is impossible to ignore!!! That's what it feels like! "Nope sorry, I can't go on...I just can't...I have to turn back...this feels terrible, I'm alone, naked and hungry...and there's food and clothing at my Daddy's house...I have to go back...I can't stand this any longer". Sound familiar (the prodigal son) It's a no brainer!!! It's feel like...you know how if someone attacks you...you natural instinct is to run? You don't have a choice!!! You're body senses danger and the 'fight or flight' mechanism kicks in. That's as close as I can get to explaining conviction.
A true child of God cannot ignore the promptings of the Holy Spirit for too long.
They have to come back!
You underestimate God's power!
And it's this type of talk that binds people up in chains and makes them feel like they are not free as they think. It's this type of talk that kills people...and YES IT KILLS!!! I should know...how sad! Taking scripture out of context to stroke one's self-righteousness..all the while not understanding the scripture! Shame on you!!!!!
Then what is the point of Hebrews 6?
You do have a choice. You always have a choice. If there is no choice then your obedience is by compulsion and you no longer have free will.
Again, Acts 2 shows that there were those who were pricked in their hearts that did not choose to follow God.
It's not that they cannot ignore God, it's that they choose not to. They aren't saved because that they can't turn away, but they are saved because they came back.
Absolutely not. Paul talks about shipwrecked faith. Does a ship that been wrecked ever go back to port. No.
How is saying that people should do what God wants killing them?
There is nothing self-righteous about saying that people should be obedient to God.
Jesus says this many, many times. The wise man who built his house upon the rock - who was he lilkened to? Those that heard and DID the word. The foolish man was likened to those who heard the word and DIDN'T do it. Whose house was destroyed? (Matthew 7:24-29)
I believe that what this person said about doing what God asks is a correct understanding of the Scriptures and not taken out of context AT all. They weren't being self-righteous either - they included themselves in the "us" that make up the "lip service" Christians.
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