Can you be SINLESS?

[Bible Highlighter]

Quarantine and social distancing are actually biblical principles for dealing with disease
Read Leviticus 13. If there's a plague, you declare a person unclean and "shut them up" for 7 days, after which you look at them again, if they're still unclean, 7 more days. They're quarantining sick people outside the congregation, and they don't go to the congregation when sick. They also rent their clothes and shouted "Unclean, unclean" as they made their way out of the camp and they covered their upper lip (to prevent coughing and breathing on people and infecting them). They also burned the clothes of the infected and had habitual washing. This is 3500 year old wisdom that is applicable today. God may have not explained Germ theory to the Israelites but He did tell them what to do about it.

I am not denying the Old Testament ways of quarantine. My point is that the virus itself is a form of Judgment upon the majority of mankind for their sinfulness (Especially the popular churches here in America who promote a sin and still be saved gospel). Things can potentially get bad or really bad and it will lead people away from the comforts of this world to trust in God alone and His Word alone and not their own wicked ways.

 

[Jamdoc]

I am not denying the Old Testament ways of quarantine. My point is that the virus itself is a form of Judgment upon the majority of mankind for their sinfulness (Especially the popular churches here in America who promote a sin and still be saved gospel). Things can potentially get bad or really bad and it will lead people away from the comforts of this world to trust in God alone and His Word alone and not their own wicked ways.

Well, the virus doesn't really care if you're righteous or not, and God didn't promise eternal life in this flesh. He may protect you from the disease, He may not, depends on what purpose He has for you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, the virus doesn't really care if you're righteous or not, and God didn't promise eternal life in this flesh. He may protect you from the disease, He may not, depends on what purpose He has for you.

The Bible teaches that God is the giver and taker of life. A person can only die if God ultimately permits it. Did you ever hear about the apostle John before? The virus also could not have happened if it was not permitted by God, as well. God is allowing this virus to destroy human lives so as to get men to repent of their wickedness. Why else do you think there were Tornadoes killing people in Tennessee and Salt Lake City had the largest Earthquake ever during the time of this whole global virus pandemic? It's God's judgment upon mankind to repent of his wickedness (Especially the greasy grace churches who turn His grace into a safety net to sin in some way).

 

[Jamdoc]

The Bible teaches that God is the giver and taker of life. A person can only die if God ultimately permits it. Did you ever hear about the apostle John before? The virus also could not have happened if it was not permitted by God, as well. God is allowing this virus to destroy human lives so as to get men to repent of their wickedness. Why else do you think there were Tornadoes killing people in Tennessee and Salt Lake City had the largest Earthquake ever during the time this whole global virus pandemic? It's God's judgment upon mankind to repent of his wickedness (Especially the greasy grace churches who turn His grace into a safety net to sin in some way).

and God sometimes permits saved people who avoid sin as much as they can get sick and die.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, the virus doesn't really care if you're righteous or not, and God didn't promise eternal life in this flesh. He may protect you from the disease, He may not, depends on what purpose He has for you.

Also, if you were to read Revelation, God was releasing a lot of horrible things upon the world as a form of getting men to repent of their wickedness. So the things happening that were bad in the world were a form of judgment to get men to turn from their wickedness and to go to God and His good ways.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

and God sometimes permits saved people who avoid sin as much as they can get sick and die.

Show me an example in Scripture.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

and God sometimes permits saved people who avoid sin as much as they can get sick and die.

Also, this is simply a misdirect in not seeing that God is bringing judgment upon people. China persecutes Christians and they still do today. This is why they are being judged and the virus has originated with them. But because the rest of the world has forsaken God as a whole, it is effecting them, as well. Like I said, things can potentially get a lot worse (and the economy could collapse). If such a thing were to happen, it is judgment from God and it is a way of God letting mankind know that they need to repent. Most of the time, we think nothing can happen to our comfortable little lives. But they can. I believe it is a wake up call for some in the churches today to truly seek the Lord according to what His Word really says plainly. Most seek to cherry pick certain verses in their Bible to see only what they want to see (while still holding on to the ways of this world and their sinful ways).

 

[Jamdoc]

Show me an example in Scripture.

Lazarus

 

[bmjackson]

The mind is gray matter, it's biology. It's flesh, and it has instincts and natural reactions, some of which are sinful.
Like I said, if someone cuts you off in traffic, that endocrine system still kicks out chemicals that make you afraid and then angry, while your conscience/soul knows you shouldn't be. But the impulse of the body reacts faster than the suppression of that impulse by your spirit. It's out of your control because that is the chemical systems God created us to have in order to protect ourselves from danger. Fight, or flight.
Think about Jesus praying on the Mount of Olives, praying for the Father to take away the cup of His wrath that Jesus knew He had to drink from. He KNEW He had to die, He KNEW He would be resurrected in glory, earlier He had accepted that and told it to His disciples and even through parable His scoffers, but the night He was betrayed, He had a moment of weakness and fear ("the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."), had He not been God come in the flesh, He would have been sinning to do it, but His spirit's resolve overcame His flesh after that moment of weakness.

You err, not knowing the sanctified state. Being cut off in traffic, will cause a reaction, but that reaction will be alarm and hightened alertness due to adrenaline without fear and anger. It is indeed out of our control but the Spirit should have the control. And Jesus was not afraid to die. What He was dreading was being separated from His father. Martyrs go to their death singing and Jesus is greater than they.

 

[Jamdoc]

You err, not knowing the sanctified state. Being cut off in traffic, will cause a reaction, but that reaction will be alarm and hightened alertness due to adrenaline without fear and anger. It is indeed out of our control but the Spirit should have the control. And Jesus was not afraid to die. What He was dreading was being separated from His father. Martyrs go to their death singing and Jesus is greater than they.

Still a moment of weakness and fear from the body where the spirit had strength and faith.

 

[CharismaticLady]

My spirit was new, my body was not. My body is falling apart, and my spirit is caged in it for now.

So are you sins of the flesh automatically forgiven?

 

[Jamdoc]

So are you sins of the flesh automatically forgiven?

John 5:24
Romans 5:20-21
When Christ paid for your sins it was not just for sins up to that point, but for all sin, that's the future tense in John. You SHALL not come into condemnation for your sin. However your sins are still punished, in a temporal manner. When you're a child of God the Father He DOES discipline you, to correct your action.
Hebrews 12:5-8
now I know you'll say "this pertains to just the children of David", but compare with the Hebrews passage I posted and you can see it applies to all children of God in Psalm 89:30-33. When God sees you as a His child and you disobey, you're disciplined on earth, rather than forsaken to condemnation. Now, I would say you have to listen to that disciplining, and respond to it. So that it actually works as a corrective action. But being disciplined for transgressions is evidence that God actually considers you His.
This is why the "rod and staff" are a comfort in Psalm 23. To be disciplined by the Lord shows that the Lord treats you as His son, that He is not forsaking you to damnation, that He is giving you the chance to correct yourself. Otherwise, how is being beaten with a rod, or being subjected to a severe illness, or having a relationship fail, or losing your job, or your house being destroyed in a fire, or all kinds of ways the Lord might give you your stripes a comfort?
How can I, as someone with MS, be comforted and see this disease as a good thing?
Because at least the Lord chose to discipline me now, on Earth, as a means to bring me back to Him and stop living in sin (though I still do make mistakes and I don't do everything that I can in line with the will of God, I do try to grow and improve), instead of renegging on my salvation and letting me go to Hell.

 

[bmjackson]

Still a moment of weakness and fear from the body where the spirit had strength and faith.

As you obviously by your own admission have never been in the sanctified state, then you will not appreciate that no, there is no fear or anger especially anger. There is no thought other than glorifying God.

 

[Jamdoc]

As you obviously by your own admission have never been in the sanctified state, then you will not appreciate that no, there is no fear or anger especially anger. There is no thought other than glorifying God.

... and Jesus had fear, and He IS God. How do you become more sanctified than Jesus to where you don't experience fear and hesitate in doing God's will?
His flesh still felt fear, had weakness, and had momentary hesitation to do the will of the Lord. He had to summon courage from His spirit, and from His Father.
The flesh is wholly and altogether the manifestation of weakness and sin and corruption. That is why this body still dies. Not because a person didn't have faith, their spirit goes to the Lord. They will one day be resurrected and glorified. But the flesh still dies because despite transformation of the spirit into a new creature of God, the flesh body we are in is still cursed by sin. Why God chose to do it that way rather than have a redeemed person have a glorified body instantly? I don't know.. but that's what happens.
I just pray that you are trusting in Jesus, and not your own obedience or works.

 

[bmjackson]

Jesus did not experience fear. That is blasphemous.

 

[Jamdoc]

Jesus did not experience fear. That is blasphemous.

He prayed for the Father to "let this cup pass from me" is that not fear and weakness of the flesh that he was expressing, before overcoming it with His spirit to say "thy will be done."?

 

[bmjackson]

I am afraid you are extrapolating here. It says He asked for the cup to be removed but not the reason why. We are left with an unanswered question. It is impossible for the Son of God to sin. It says 'Be ye not afraid' that means that fear is sin.

 

[Thomas White]

Here is a video that claims that you can:

Anything is possible with God. Anything.

 

[Jamdoc]

I am afraid you are extrapolating here. It says He asked for the cup to be removed but not the reason why. We are left with an unanswered question. It is impossible for the Son of God to sin. It says 'Be ye not afraid' that means that fear is sin.

He didn't sin because He is God. God cannot act against the will of God.
Jesus worked on the Sabbath which would be sin for ANYONE but Him. But because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, it's not sin for Him.
Even if it was not fear that He expressed in that prayer, if anyone else were to pray against the will of God, something like "Please God, don't make me go to church today".. that would be sin. Jesus prayed because His flesh was weak and wanted to act against the will of God. Jesus overcame it. For anyone else, it would be sin, for God Himself, it's not. Does that make sense?

 

[bmjackson]

Not in the least. You are saying that He had fear. God is not going to tell man that fear is sin when He Himself fears.