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Which is why you must doubt all history ever written.Again, a claim made by MEN, not a god. A man may claim whatever he chooses. That doesn't make it true.
Let me remind you that humans witnessed Yeshua's death, burial and resurrection. They ate with him after his resurrection and they died as martyrs proclaiming this truth to people like you.Let me remind you, MEN also claimed that Thor produces thunder, that the Olympian gods bred with humans and that a man named Mohammed flew to heaven on a horse.
Are we meant to believe just any nonsense that men put their names to?
This "beautiful world" that you allude to... you cannot show it, outside of your imagination? Correct?Glad you saw the movie. There is a world outside the Matrix you live in and it is much more beautiful than anything you've created for yourself.
Which is why you must doubt all history ever written.
Luke has been proven to be the greatest historian in antiquity, yet you toss him aside. Most of what we know about the ancient world of the Middle East is from the Bible and is corroborated by archeology. God did a great job of maintaining excellence in His word. Yet, because you want you imaginary matrix world to be true, you ignore reality and God's words to humanity.
So be it. Live in your matrix.
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Yes, but you are acting as if humans are special and deserve concern. But if atheistic evolution is true then humans are just another animal and nothing special.
de: Depends on how you look at it.
If you look at it from the scope of the grand overall universe, you're right. We aren't anything overly special... we're the most advanced species on a speck of dust in the cosmos.
If you look at it from our perspective on the other hand, humans are incredibly special and deserve concern, because we're human. In order for our civilization, and our own lives to be lived to the fullest extent possible, we should take great concern on these issues.
ed: The consequences of what you do to others and yourself are objective but the reason you are doing them is subjective. It is just based on sentimental feelings for humans.
de: And what's wrong with sentimental feelings for my fellow humans? (or other living things in general)
ed; There is no real objective reason for you not to kill yourself or other people especially if they hurt your survival which is the whole point of evolution.
de: Sure there is, it's an objective fact that I enjoy life, and do not want to die. Therefore I have reason to not kill myself.
de: It is also an objective fact that if people went around killing each other for no good reason, that society as we know it would collapse. It's also very likely I would wind up being killed.
de: Therefore, I have reason to not do that sort of thing. A strong and peaceful civilization is beneficial to us all.
ed: In fact that is why Stalin killed the aristocracy and the intelligentsia because he thought they were hurting his country and also his surivival. So as you can see there is nothing objectively wrong with what Stalin did if there is no God especially the Christian God.
de: No, Stalin killed the aristocracy and intelligentsia because they were a threat to his power.
de: So, he killed millions of people, which is objectively harmful to those millions of people. He did this for selfish reasons, which can not in any way justify his actions. There was no good action that he did that could ever justify the harm that he did. Therefore, his actions were immoral.
de: It's not that hard. In fact, I'd argue you make the exact same basic moral judgments every day.
If a dog runs out in front of your car, do you slow down because:
A) That's what god wants you to do
or
B) You don't want to see unnecessary harm come to that dog?
It's very likely you'd choose B, and that's good, because that's the only moral answer. A is only blind obedience, which is amoral.
So what meaning would your life have after the universe fades into darkness? Just curious.
Which is why you must doubt all history ever written.
Luke has been proven to be the greatest historian in antiquity, yet you toss him aside.
Let me remind you that humans witnessed Yeshua's death, burial and resurrection. They ate with him after his resurrection and they died as martyrs proclaiming this truth to people like you.
They witnessed to truth. Yet, you prefer your matrix.
So be it.
So unless I am able to influence the state of the universe on the grandest cosmic scale, my life is meaningless? Is that what you're trying to say?So what meaning would your life have after the universe fades into darkness? Just curious.
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So unless I am able to influence the state of the universe on the grandest cosmic scale, my life is meaningless? Is that what you're trying to say?
Isn't it interesting how, on some level, some theists aspire toward godhood and consider life entirely meaningless unless they are able to obtain god-like powers?So, who wants to create a giant black hole that will last for a trillion years? Apparently, that's what we need to do to make life worthwhile.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Well, you can still give yourself meaning your life can have meaning to others. But still, in the end, without God it is meaningless. Since the universe itself will die and fade into darkness, influencing the universe is still meaningless in the end.So unless I am able to influence the state of the universe on the grandest cosmic scale, my life is meaningless? Is that what you're trying to say?
So you acknowledge that you're wrong; that my life can have meaning and does have meaning?Well, you can still give yourself meaning your life can have meaning to others. But still, in the end, without God it is meaningless. Since the universe itself will die and fade into darkness, influencing the universe is still meaningless in the end.
But still, in the end, without God it is meaningless. Since the universe itself will die and fade into darkness, influencing the universe is still meaningless in the end.
You have clung to the imaginary thinking of liberal scholars who are as blind and deaf as yourself.Now be honest. Some men, writing much later than the claimed events, say that they were told stories about other men who claimed to have seen those things.
Hearsay upon hearsay. No corroborating evidence. No contemporary reports. No identities for the story tellers. And their stories conflict with one another!
You have clung to the imaginary thinking of liberal scholars who are as blind and deaf as yourself.
Archeology has proven, time and again, that the writers of the Bible are telling truth and we're inspired by God's Spirit to write.
What you seem desperate for is an excuse so you can live in your hobo kingdom instead of dining in the presence of the Sovereign King and enjoying the bountiful blessings it supplies.
What meaning does your molecular structure take away when it moves on?So unless I am able to influence the state of the universe on the grandest cosmic scale, my life is meaningless? Is that what you're trying to say?
Just a quick search...Please show how archeology provides any evidence for a) the existence of your god, or b) the 'truth' of the writers.
Cool story bro.What meaning does your molecular structure take away when it moves on?
The Bible says humans are made in the image of God, with the God-given ability to know right from wrong. All other beings have no concept of this as they kill with no sense of remorse. Why is it that a gorilla had to be killed to keep it from killing a young boy? It's because the Gorilla has no sense of right or wrong.
If there is no God, you are no more than that gorilla and morality is a meaningless thing. You create a facade and illusion for yourself to try bring meaning apart from your Creator.
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