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Can you be a Christian and a practising homosexual and still be saved?

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before we branch off into a long ambiguous argument with no end lol ..

are you saying this because it is just that.

or are you saying it in regard to the sin of a man laying with a man as a man lays with a woman .as some have tried to argue that sin is somehow excused from others due to being born that way ..which is of course false .it is not exclusive , we are all born with a propensity toward sin .and thus need a Savior ..who then transforms us ..
 
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before we branch off into a long ambiguous argument with no end lol ..

are you saying this because it is just that.

Yes


It would be against CF's rules for me to argue that, even if I thought that it excused sin, which I do not. Or to argue that there is no commandment that it is a sin to be gay, even though there isn't any such command.
 
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I think we've reached the point on this topic that we're splitting hairs here. Didn't the Apostle Paul write, and didn't Jesus himself pray for unity? This is one of those times where stepping back a bit, and considering just how much of a burden being gay is on people. Yes, burden! Only 3-4% of the population are gay- thats roughly 1 in 22 people. They do catch a lot of flack for being "different". I don't think they can help it- as such, condemning them to hell certainly is more stress they don't need is it? About the only thing you can do for someone who's really gay is to pray for them.
 
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]temptation != sin[/B] != "defect"

emphasis on the bold parts....I thought Jesus said otherwise on that.

Mathew 5:28?

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.

Heb. 4:15
 
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Whenever any sin is boldly and unrepentantly exercised in ones life it causes a falling away from God. It doesn't matter at all what particular sin it might be, rather it is the stubborn refusal to repent that causes the individual to lose fellowship with the Body of Christ, and relationship with the Lord.

God is pleased with a contrite and broken spirit, not one that refuses wrongdoing.
 
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Please explain how you reconcile this statement with Paul's exhortations in Romans 14.
 
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Paul speaks to actions that are not universal sins, and gives examples such as eating certain foods. 'Weak' Christians should not be looked down upon by 'strong' Christians over something as silly as bacon. Those who are mature in their faith, who understand the liberties they have, should not flaunt these liberties over those who are still infants in their faith.

However, these liberties are not liberties to sin. That is ridiculous at face value. The liberties spoken to are in the areas of holy days, foods, alcohol, and other such things. They are not liberties to commit that which is already identified plainly as sin.
 
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For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.

Heb. 4:15

Matt 5:28 [NIV]

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

I tend to be hazy with the other new testament books because I have not read them as many times as the 4 gospels.. and my memory isn't good period since the IED blasts. lol Bible school will be a struggle indeed.

Well whos wrong then? Paul or Jesus? This just be one of those my atheist friend points out...

....or maybe Paul was referring two the only temptations Jesus was ever tempted with, power and pride... which is are temptations we all struggle with always in life.

I had to re-read Matthew 4:1-11 again.. thanks for that I always enjoy the book of Matthew.. gives me a break from Deuteronomy..which is taking me forever to read.
 
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Lusting is acting on the temptation to lust.

One can be tempted to lust without actually giving in to lusting.

There is no contradiction. Temptation is the desire to act on on urge. One can be tempted yet refrain from the act. I may see a beautiful woman and be tempted to fantasize about her, but I can resist the temptation and control my thoughts. Jesus said when I allow myself to give in to that mental fantasy I have sinned even if I did not physically act it out.
 
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Maybe the line between temptation and sin comes at some point between seeing an attractive member of the appropriate sex and entertaining elaborate, adulterous fantasies about them, or formulating a plan to commit adultery. Just a thought.

Where is the line? I will start text in bold where I think the change from temptation to sin occurs. I will BOLD it where I am SURE it does.

And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king’s house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. 3 And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bath-sheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? 4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.

....or maybe Paul was referring two the only temptations Jesus was ever tempted with, power and pride... which is are temptations we all struggle with always in life.

Jesus was also tempted by the appetites (lust of the flesh), to turn bread into stone.
 
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- not directed at you- just using your post to speak to all


And yet - if one continues to entertain the temptations in their heart ..one will ultimately fall to the outward manifestation of that which is in their heart . for no man can be tempted by something that is not in his heart . we are tempted NOT by that which we cant stand .. but by that which we desire to do ..SIN
therefore it is in the heart that the sin must be dealt with .. you can make the cup polished shiny on the outside (by not doing ) but the heart can stil be filled with all manner of wickedness .
we must be washed INSIDE and be transformed by the power of God within us .

for the lord Jesus came to see us free from sin .FREE . i ,who was once a porn addict so i know lust .. have been so transformed through obedience to the Holy Spirit ,by HIS power at work in me to HIS glory ..that i can no longer be tempted in that manner ..

and why ? Because he gives me the mind of Christ ..I simply do not want to do that sin any more - this is the miracle of salvation. that not only does he forgive our sin but ..if we allow him through our obedience to him , he so changes us that we simply do not want that false temporary fleshly pleasure any more .. ..i know its fantastic news, that not only can we be forgiven ,but we can be so transformed that we dont even desire sin ...
this my friends is the GOSPEL , the good news of the lord JESUS .


thus on the topic of the OP Question ..if a person consistently , willfully practices that which they know is wrong ..they will not be saved . for having been set free ,if we do not then walk in obedience to the Holy Spirit .. who shall die for us ? shal the lord be crucified again ? NO,, if we remain stubbornly in denial of our sin and stubbornly rebellious in disobedience then "only a certain wrath of God awaits us "
but if we admit our state (confess our sin ) he is faithful and just to forgive us .. but here the the crux of it ... to do so a person must be honest to God that God ifs right and we are in sin .
NOT imply God is a liar by denying our fleshly sexual immoral desire is sinful.

if we CONFESS ..Admit ,not deny .our SIN ..then ... and only then , is he faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. because only then have we admitted to god ,our sore and wretched need .
 
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I don't believe homosexuals are 'lying' when they say they are 'naturally homosexual' by some measure of having been born with it, or not being attracted to the opposite sex.

At the same time, I don't believe that is the truth either. I think that homosexuals grew numb to the attraction of the opposite sex, and mistake the lack of natural desire as being something inherently programmed in them.

As such, I am forced to further believe that homosexuality is an idolatry of the flesh, because instead of replacing that numbness with God, they fill it with an unnatural lust which ultimately bars much of the Spirit from guiding them.
 
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why don't you actually ask someone who is gay whether or not they can control their sexual orientation instead of guessing.

Because they themselves do not really understand their own nature. They are under a spell of their own insecurities. That's sort of the point of my post.

How many gay people have you heard they were born gay? It is a claim that liberals make, it was never exclusive or even born from homosexuals themselves.
You'd be surprised by the sheer amount of gays who were married and have children, how most of them in fact changed their orientation.
 
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To the OP question: No.
Repentance, salvation, baptism, are all designed to make for a new person. Someone who has renounced their sins, washed clean by the blood of the lamb, become the dwelling place of the holy spirit that now guides their heart and mind toward righteousness and God's word and laws.

Asking the OP question affords a simple answer. One available and just as easily afforded if someone asked, could a serial killer continue to kill and still be saved?
Could a carjacker continue to steal cars and still be saved?

No. People seek to be saved from sin. To willfully continue to sin isn't how it works.
 
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why don't you go and ask a gay person if it is a choice or if they are the way they are because that's just the way it is?
God trumps anyone's opinions.
If God said it is a sin and that we need to repent of it, then that's the final word. Whether you consider it a choice or not is not the issue, it's whether God considers it a sin.

Thank God for the blood of Christ.
 
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