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Can you “ KNOW “ that you are saved ?

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If we had absolute present visual proof of our salvation , it would be no big accomplishment to stick with the Lord, anybody could do that : But the fact that we only have hope makes it far more difficult to hang in there with the Lord to the end , like brother Paul says 1 TIMOTHY 6 ( 12 ) : ” Fight the good FIGHT OF FAITH
By faith Christ dwells in our hearts. This is unseen by the world outwardly . But in the spirit we have the inner witness and this is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Christ is really in believers and he is as Paul said "Christ in you the hope of glory". This is the inner life and spiritual life of all believers and having such a witness in them they can say they are saved as they abide in that life and where Jesus Christ is in them.

Ephesians 3:17
"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,"
 
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( 10 ) : ” CAN YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE SAVED ? “
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You hear people all the time, with great spiritual pride , say that they KNOW that they are saved with no doubts whatsoever , and that if you have any doubts , there is something wrong with your faith ! Well is it possible to know that you are saved without any doubts whatsoever ! The bible says that we are saved by grace through faith : EPHESIANS 2 ( 8 ) : ” For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH ! ” Well just what exactly is faith ? : The bible’s definition : HEBREWS 11 ( 1 ) : ” Now faith is the substance of THINGS HOPED FOR , the evidence of THINGS NOT SEEN . ” So FAITH IS HOPING for something that we as yet CANNOT SEE , but we are believing that it will be , without any actual visual physical evidence of it, but only the evidence of THINGS NOT SEEN , which of course is not real evidence : So we ultimately have ONLY HOPE ! : ROMANS 8 ( 24&25 ) : 24 : ” FOR WE ARE SAVED BY HOPE , BUT HOPE THAT IS SEEN IS NOT HOPE , FOR WHAT A MAN SEETH WHY DOTH HE YET HOPE FOR IT ? ” 25 : ” BUT IF WE HOPE FOR THAT WE SEE NOT , THEN DO WE WITH PATIENCE ” WAIT FOR IT ” : OBVIOUSY HOPING IS NOT KNOWING ! For example : Did the great Saints of God all through history know that they were saved , or did they also have to operate by faith , hoping and believing that they would be saved at some future time , without any real present visible proof : HEBREWS 11 ( 13 , 27 , & 39 ) : 13 : ” These all died in faith , NOT HAVING RECEIVED THE PROMISES , but having seen them afar off , and were persuaded of them . ” 27 : ” BY FAITH he forsook Egypt , not fearing the wrath of the king , for he endured as SEEING HIM WHO IS INVISIBLE . ” 39 : ” And these all , having obtained a good report through faith RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE . ” None of these great men of God received the promises , right unto their deaths , but OPERATED SOLELY ON HOPE AND BELIEF of things they believed would come : THEY DID NOT KNOW : THEY BELIEVED ! If we had absolute present visual proof of our salvation , it would be no big accomplishment to stick with the Lord, anybody could do that : But the fact that we only have hope makes it far more difficult to hang in there with the Lord to the end , like brother Paul says 1 TIMOTHY 6 ( 12 ) : ” Fight the good FIGHT OF FAITH . ” and 2 TIMOTHY 4 ( 7 ) : ” I have fought a good fight , I have finished my course , I have KEPT THE FAITH ! ” HE DIDN’T KNOW FOR SURE WITHOUT DOUBT , as he says : HE HAD TO FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO KEEP HIS FAITH , his belief , fight against the doubts , and he kept his faith with only hope : THE SAME HOPE THAT WE ALL HAVE TO SUSTAIN OUR FAITH : HEBREWS 6 ( 18&19 ) : 18 : ” To lay hold upon THE HOPE set before us , ” 19 : ” WHICH HOPE WE HAVE AS AN ANCHOR OF THE SOUL . ” Is there anything that we can do to increase and strengthen our faith ? : ROMANS 10 ( 17 ) : ” Faith cometh by hearing , and hearing by the word of God ” If we study the word of God and read where all God’s true people also had to operate by hope and faith alone : This strengthens our faith also ! Of course there are many who teach the false teaching that we are saved here and now , but the Bible says : 1 PETER 1 ( 13 ) : ” Hope to the end for the grace that IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST ” : NOT NOW ! and 1 PETER 1 ( 9 ) : ” Receiving THE END OF YOUR FAITH even the salvation of your souls . ” : NOT NOW BUT AT THE END OF YOUR FAITH ! Further scriptural evidence that our salvation is not by knowing but only by hope : TITUS 1 ( 2 ) : ” In HOPE of eternal life . ” and TITUS 2 ( 13 ) : ” The HOPE of eternal life . ” and 1 THESSALONIANS 5 ( 8 ) : ‘ For an helmet the HOPE of salvation . ” There is only one verse that seems to say that we can know that we have eternal life and this is of course 1 JOHN 5 ( 13 ) : ” That you may know that you have eternal life . ” Yet this same brother two chapters earlier in 1 JOHN 3 ( 2 ) says that we can know that we shall be like God , but in the very next verse , talking about the same thing says : that WE ONLY HAVE A HOPE OF THIS : 1 JOHN 3 ( 2&3 ) : 2 : ” We know that when he shall appear , we shall be like him . ” 3 : ” And every man that hath this HOPE in him purifieth himself . ” So we can see that when John says we can know something he actually means THAT WE HAVE THIS HOPE ! So applying this understanding to 1 JOHN 5 ( 13 ) , when he says that we may know that we have eternal life , this would mean that we actually only have a hope of this as he said in 1 JOHN 3 ( 3 ) . The fact that the rest of the scriptures all say that we have only hope clarifies what exactly 1 JOHN 5 ( 13 ) really means , and it is a widely misunderstood verse which those that are unlearned and unstable wrest, 2 PETER 3 ( 16 ) . So the answer to the opening question of this study would be : NO WE CANNOT KNOW THAT WE ARE SAVED HERE AND NOW , BUT WE HAVE TO OPERATE AS ALL GOD’S PEOPLE THROUGH HISTORY HAVE OPERATED , BY FAITH , WHICH IS ONLY HOPE OF SOME FUTURE THING , WHICH AT PRESENT WE CANNOT VISUALLY SEE , SO WE HAVE TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH , BELIEF TO THE END OF OUR TIME HERE, AFTER WHICH IF WE KEEP THE FAITH , THEN WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROMISE : THIS IS ALL BY FAITH : NOT KNOWING : BUT FAITH !
we are saved, being saved and shall be saved as we overcome to the end.
 
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I'm trying to do better at not arguing on this website, so I'm not going to reply any further to the strife that comes about with your forum posts, because quite frankly, it's never-ending contention that you cause.
Whoever disagrees with you is causing strife : I try to mainly just quote scripture not myself : sorry if that offends you .
 
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Rom 8(24&25): reread the study
It seems you are putting more of your faith in your study than in the completed work that Lord Jesus performed.We have shown how you can know that you are saved. But,we cannot make you believe you can know so believe what you want.
 
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Good straw-man. I'm not sitting here saying that salvation is by anything other than grace through faith. But what I am saying is that if you know that you have faith (which I'm sure a person can know quite easily what is in their own heart), then you will know based upon what the Bible says about salvation, that you are indeed saved.
No need for abusive nick names : Isn’t that flaming or goading ; Heb 11(1): Faith is the substance of things hoped for :: not known : hoped for : Nowhere does it say known , but hoped ! About the heart : the bible says the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked : who can know it : So don’t trust your heart : just fight the good fight like all the rest of us to the end and then the same shall be saved , Not now but when we finish our course : Praise Jesus .
 
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It seems you are putting more of your faith in your study than in the completed work that Lord Jesus performed.We have shown how you can know that you are saved. But,we cannot make you believe you can know so believe what you want.
Saved by faith : Faith is things hoped for : Not Known : Can’t make it any clearer than this : truly having eyes they see not !
 
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So it's dependent on perseverance then, which none can predict absolutely?
His true Elect are kept by the power of God : No man is able to pluck them out of the fathers hand including them self : However we cannot know now who are his Elect : but whoever they are they cannot be lost because they are kept by the power of God, not themselves !
 
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Same verse I would quote. It doesn't mean there are no doubts, or that doubts imply a lack of faith. Nor is it about pride. But you can know ... otherwise what's the point?
Reread the study : I addressed that verse
 
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No need for abusive nick names : Isn’t that flaming or goading ; Heb 11(1): Faith is the substance of things hoped for :: not known : hoped for : Nowhere does it say known , but hoped ! About the heart : the bible says the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked : who can know it : So don’t trust your heart : just fight the good fight like all the rest of us to the end and then the same shall be saved , Not now but when we finish our course : Praise Jesus .
I didn't call you a straw-man. I meant you were using a straw-man argument.
 
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So, then, it's all about knowing you're saved? As long as one has this strong confidence, then they're saved?
Did I say that? I point to John 3:16 and that our loving God made salvation simple. Man has complicated it. The thief on the cross, having only a brief moment in time, was to depart this life and be with our Lord. Jesus didn't complicate it with baptism, having to partake in the Eucharist, being crucified, carrying a cross, beating ones back until it bleeds, rolling all the way to the cross, avoiding pagan holidays, knocking on doors, chanting, burning incense. As simple as accepting Jesus. And those who believe without having seen are blessed more.
 
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Saved by faith : Faith is things hoped for : Not Known : Can’t make it any clearer than this : truly having eyes they see not !
can you see the HOLY SPIRIT? Scripture says that our guarantee of salvation is the HOLY SPIRIT who is active in the lives of His people but He cannot be seen. So when then are you trying to argue? That scripture is wrong?
 
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To Believe in your heart; heart being the mind, not the literal heart. If you blieve in your mind that He will spiritually save you, He will.

Andy Centek
actually if you study the parts of man in scripture, the heart is the core or essence of the man not the thoughts.
 
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