Can we take Genesis Seriously

[bklatinarab92]

If one begins with an evolutionary view of history (for which there were no witnesses or written record), then this way of thinking will be used to explain the evidence that exists in the present. But if one begins with the biblical view of history from the written record of an eyewitness (God) to all events of history, then a totally different way of thinking, based on this, will be used to explain the same evidence. Thus, we have the biblical explanation given above.

I stick by Gods word my friends i appreciate the info, God willing i can honestly look into it with an open heart, but right now theres alot going on in my life, so i cant say i will deffinately check it out. @ KorashK you say you read the love He has for you? have you considered the implications of such a man made conspiracy theory, I mean I know you say i need proof too know Hes God but has he not shown you by coming down 2000 years ago in the flesh? and even telling you years before he did it i mean 1400 years before Christ it was prophecyed he would have His hands and feet peirced. almost 650 years b.C prophecyed he would come from bethlehem 700 years b.C it was prophecyed he would die for us the people who did wrong thingS! i mean even in 'silly' genesis he prophecyed He would send Eve's seed(marys son) to destroy satans work, (sin) Our lawlessness deserves penalty but God has taken that whole punishment to the cross, its observed by many people. Christ has also risen from the dead, miracles, perfect life, how else can God prove himself?

 

[cRIO]

Through methods other than a 2000 year old book.

 

[Korashk]

@ KorashK you say you read the love He has for you?

Yes, I have read the Bible many times. It makes me realize what kind of a monster the God of the old testament is.

have you considered the implications of such a man made conspiracy theory,

Do you think evolution is a man-made conspiracy theory? How old are you?

I mean I know you say i need proof too know Hes God but has he not shown you by coming down 2000 years ago in the flesh?and even telling you years before he did it i mean 1400 years before Christ it was prophecyed he would have His hands and feet peirced. almost 650 years b.C prophecyed he would come from bethlehem 700 years b.C it was prophecyed he would die for us the people who did wrong thingS! i mean even in 'silly' genesis he prophecyed He would send Eve's seed(marys son) to destroy satans work, (sin) Our lawlessness deserves penalty but God has taken that whole punishment to the cross, its observed by many people. Christ has also risen from the dead, miracles, perfect life, how else can God prove himself?

You need to use more than THE BIBLE to show that THE BIBLE is true.

 

[BeforeTheSanhedrin]

The Bible is the only holy book that describes the events of creation in the same order that science has revealed them to be. I found that interesting.

 

[FlowerGirl18]

Yes, we must take Geneis seriously. Why? 2 Timothy 3:16. That's why. If you believe one part of God's word, but not the other, then what kind of Christian are you?

 

[AfanofJesus]

Yes, we must take Geneis seriously. Why? 2 Timothy 3:16. That's why. If you believe one part of God's word, but not the other, then what kind of Christian are you?

To some extent I'd say your are right, but we find some pretty tough things to handle in Old Testament. I don't know exactly where you find all of them, and I haven't digged deep into them but for example:

Exodus 35:2

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death"
New International Version (©1984)

I mean, really? How should we handle this if we were to believe that 100% of the Bible is to be taken seriously? Well, seriously doesn't mean that it's is to be taken literally, but I guess you get it?

I agree that we Christians have to stay much more firm in our faith and beliefs, although not everything is easy - God hasn't said so either, but when Jesus commands us "love your neighbor as yourself.’ how should we then be able to kill someone who's working on the "Sabbath"? I mean it's not like I'd commit sucide if I worked on a Sunday.

I hope this didn't get too non-serious...

 

[arvbuddy]

When I consider this topic (which I have a lot) I kind of come to a conclusion. For this to work, you have to believe that God lives outside of time and space. Once you realize that he doesn't live in our time, but outside of it, it makes it a lot easier. I came upon this one day when I joked with a friend saying God must have been really bored for the past 13 billion years after making the universe!!!

So when you realize God lives outside of time, time becomes useless. He could be here right now, yet still back 5-10 billion years ago doing stuff. A week in Genesis, can be the whole 13 billion years, 1 billion years, 100 million years, etc. You don't really know. What WE perceive as a week is TOTALLY different than what He perceives as a week.

 

[Girder of Loins]

To some extent I'd say your are right, but we find some pretty tough things to handle in Old Testament. I don't know exactly where you find all of them, and I haven't digged deep into them but for example:

Exodus 35:2

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death"
New International Version (©1984)

I mean, really? How should we handle this if we were to believe that 100% of the Bible is to be taken seriously? Well, seriously doesn't mean that it's is to be taken literally, but I guess you get it?

I agree that we Christians have to stay much more firm in our faith and beliefs, although not everything is easy - God hasn't said so either, but when Jesus commands us "love your neighbor as yourself.’ how should we then be able to kill someone who's working on the "Sabbath"? I mean it's not like I'd commit sucide if I worked on a Sunday.

I hope this didn't get too non-serious...

I would agree with you, but the verse describes OT Law, not the New Covenant. Christ fulfilled the old law, and we are now under Christ. Check the end of Galatians. Its in the last chapter or something and it says that we were once guarded from sin by the Law, but now Christ is our guardian.

 

[AfanofJesus]

I would agree with you, but the verse describes OT Law, not the New Covenant. Christ fulfilled the old law, and we are now under Christ. Check the end of Galatians. Its in the last chapter or something and it says that we were once guarded from sin by the Law, but now Christ is our guardian.

"I would agree with you [...]" too, but I think you misunderstood

I didn't mean that what I quoted is what we are to follow today. Although God is the same now, as when Exodus was up to date. The followers of God was to love their neighbor at that time too, how does that cope with what I quoted? How does that cope with whom our God is known to be?

I don't know, there might be a good explanation, another viewpoint. However, this is simply something that is troubling my mind.

I think I know that verse, and I agree, but I will take a deeper look in Galatians, you always find something new, or pay attention to a new detail

 

[Girder of Loins]

"I would agree with you [...]" too, but I think you misunderstood

I didn't mean that what I quoted is what we are to follow today. Although God is the same now, as when Exodus was up to date. The followers of God was to love their neighbor at that time too, how does that cope with what I quoted? How does that cope with whom our God is known to be?

I don't know, there might be a good explanation, another viewpoint. However, this is simply something that is troubling my mind.

I think I know that verse, and I agree, but I will take a deeper look in Galatians, you always find something new, or pay attention to a new detail

So what are you getting at? I'm confused as to what you're trying to say(not being disrespectful, I'm trying to understand as I think I may have answers). What I think you're asking may be covered in a topic of mine. Here is the link:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7559070/

If that doesn't answer your questions, then I am severely lacking in discernment right now, lol.

 

[saffron park]

Yes, I have read the Bible many times. It makes me realize what kind of a monster the God of the old testament is.


Do you think evolution is a man-made conspiracy theory? How old are you?

You need to use more than THE BIBLE to show that THE BIBLE is true.

So you believe in truth?

 

[AfanofJesus]

So what are you getting at? I'm confused as to what you're trying to say(not being disrespectful, I'm trying to understand as I think I may have answers). What I think you're asking may be covered in a topic of mine. Here is the link:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7559070/

If that doesn't answer your questions, then I am severely lacking in discernment right now, lol.

I might been explaining in a bad way and I will definitely check that link out.

What I mean anyway is this:

There's a contradiction with God commanding us to love our neighbor while there's a law commanding us to kill one that's working on a Sunday. I know that we are not to kill one working on a sunday today, according to the passage you quoted. Although there's a contradiction anyway.

Before you said "If you believe one part of God's word, but not the other, then what kind of Christian are you?". I am quoting you now, but I'm not taking this to a personal level, I'm a genuine Christian just trying to understand. What I mean is that it's hard to me to believe that God wants us to love our neighbor and still kill one working on a sunday. This one of many examples that causes me trouble when it comes to how we handle texts from the OT, like Exodus in this example.

 

[Tnmusicman]

Basically Carbon dating is a way of seeing how old something is. Firstly we must realise that atoms can decay over time, the time taken for it too decay in half, is called the half-life.

Each atom has a individual half-life. In this example we shall take carbon to have a half-life of 900 years.

For example if there is a box and we no there should be 100 atoms in it then, but when we open it we only find 50 then from this we can work backwards to find out how old it is.

We can see that there is exactly half the amount of atoms there should be. So from this we can deduce that this particular box is 900 years old.

In reality carbon does not have such a short half-life is more in the range of 5730 years.

So with this information we can see that the earth is much older than the figure set in the bible (6,000 years).
Sorry if this not the best explanation but it is hard to articulate.

Can you tell me where in the bible it states the earth is 6000 years old?

 

[Girder of Loins]

I might been explaining in a bad way and I will definitely check that link out.

What I mean anyway is this:

There's a contradiction with God commanding us to love our neighbor while there's a law commanding us to kill one that's working on a Sunday. I know that we are not to kill one working on a sunday today, according to the passage you quoted. Although there's a contradiction anyway.

Before you said "If you believe one part of God's word, but not the other, then what kind of Christian are you?". I am quoting you now, but I'm not taking this to a personal level, I'm a genuine Christian just trying to understand. What I mean is that it's hard to me to believe that God wants us to love our neighbor and still kill one working on a sunday. This one of many examples that causes me trouble when it comes to how we handle texts from the OT, like Exodus in this example.

I get it now!

There is no contradiction here. In the OT, the Law is what protected the Israelites from sin. They were a set of rules and standards everyone had to follow. This rule you're talking about(and other rules) seem very contradictory to what God is. Isn't He love? Isn't He forgiving and an all-around nice guy? You can see where I'm going with this. Modern Christians have fallen into this mindset that God is only love. That is because we throw that phrase around so much. He is not only love. He is also just and mighty. He is jealous and supreme. While He is love and grace and mercy, He is also just. These are all balanced perfectly(thus making Him perfect). These laws were meant to protect the Israelites form their surroundings, and to obey the Sabbath and to keep it holy is one of the Ten Commandments, thus making it one of the "core" laws, as I would call them, although I am no scholar or professional in OT-Law survey. Most of the Ten Commandments were considered the most holy laws and were almost all judged by death. Does this make God mean and cruel? No, it makes Him just(another attribute of His).

Hope that clears some stuff up for you! And P.S., when did I say that "if you don't believe the whole Bible, then what kind of Christian are you?"? I don't remember saying that(unless you were paraphrasing, in which case I may have said something like that). Just want to know! Thanks!

Go in Love, Brother

 

[Girder of Loins]

Can you tell me where in the bible it states the earth is 6000 years old?

If you wanna take the time to add all the ages of Christ's lineage, it comes out to be around 6000 years since Adam.

 

[Tnmusicman]

If you wanna take the time to add all the ages of Christ's lineage, it comes out to be around 6000 years since Adam.

I see, thank you, my brother!

 

[Girder of Loins]

I see, thank you, my brother!

Anytime!

Go in Peace, Brother

 

[rochie545]

READ GENESIS i mean the whole. and you will be amazed and shock that you wanna read some more continuation at exodus. haha. such an interesting since the birth of Abram to Joseph's death (son of Jacob)

 

[BeforeTheSanhedrin]

The Old Testament is to be taken seriously, because it shows God's power. The law itself does not apply anymore, because Jesus himself worked on the Sabbath to do good. The blood of Jesus has founded the new covenant, and that is what we as Christians need to focus on. Love God and love your neighbor. Spread the good news, and don't get bogged down in scientific debates. Show your love to those in need, and they will see the light of God's love. We were given intellect for a reason; don't shoot down scientific findings just because they are not stated word for word in the Bible. Doesn't the idea of God meticulously creating the world over billions of years, but having it only be a week in his eyes make him seem all the greater?

 

[Shane Plew]

Does Jesus not say that he was not there to abolish any of the laws of the OT? What does that say about its validity in the Bible?