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Can we fall from grace ?
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Once again scripture is very clear as to what would be the cause of a person falling from grace....
"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the Law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace." Gal 5:4
"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the Law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace." Gal 5:4
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God warned me in a dream not to continue with Calvinism.. he gave me a revelation. I'm really not sure what I am but I don't need to have a label. I have been looking for the right church affiliation for a while now but I just can't find it.
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BryanW92
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there's no such thing as 50% salvation or even 99% salvation. So, I always wonder what people mean when they say "decided to follow Jesus and never deny him".
I know what it means to me, but many people on CF tell me that it is insufficient and that I must do more.
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God has confirmed to you that Calvinism is NOT Bible truth (no matter how many Scriptures they quote).
It will be hard to find a sound Bible church today. Whichever one you might look into, make sure they are adhering to the New Testament pattern and have turned away from man-made doctrines and practices. Above all, know the Word of God for yourself and study it diligently.
While the above is not entirely on topic, the topic is the eternal security of the believer, and there can be no doubt that those who have been genuinely born-again cannot be "unborn". Just as a child cannot return to his mother's womb, a child of God cannot return to his former as a "child of wrath".
Galatians 5:4 says "ye are fallen from grace", but what is the context of that statement? There were Jews in Galatia who were insisting that Gentiles be circumcised and be justified by keeping the Law of Moses. Paul's response was thus (Gal 5:1-5):
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
In other words, to be justified before God you can either have Grace or the Law. Since no one can be justified by doing the works of the Law, salvation (righteousness, justification) is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. By the Law is the knowledge of sin.
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Hyper grace is Also just as bad as Calvinism be weary of slavery to sin cause yea you can fall back
For every one verse miss translated there are 100 of direct ones to take its place! Just read the bible you won't miss them!
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]38-39‬ KJV)
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Timothy‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]9-10‬ KJV)
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
([bless and do not curse]Ezekiel‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
([bless and do not curse]2 Peter‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
God bless
For every one verse miss translated there are 100 of direct ones to take its place! Just read the bible you won't miss them!
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]38-39‬ KJV)
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Timothy‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]9-10‬ KJV)
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
([bless and do not curse]Ezekiel‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
([bless and do not curse]2 Peter‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
God bless
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Is there any more scripture that supports thatSteeno7 said:
Meaning keeping the law Only and not having faith in Jesus
Don't just cherry pick what sounds good and disregard everything g else
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation‬ [bless and do not curse]14‬:[bless and do not curse]12‬ KJV)
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Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. ([bless and do not curse]Ezekiel‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. ([bless and do not curse]2 Peter‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. ([bless and do not curse]2 Peter‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV)
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That is the very scripture that this thread is based in...how is it you see "fallen from Grace" but cannot see the cause given in the same passage? The book of Galatians is all about the foolishness of those who have begun by Grace, with the Spirit, and who then go back to the Law to try to become perfect by their own human effort. That is to fall away from God's Grace.
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Steeno7 said:
The law and grace go together they cannot be separated !
Jesus speaks about this very clearly in the New Testament without his grace which is God sending his own son to die on the cross for your sin you won't be able to fully obey the law!
The Galatians tried to go back to the Law with out grace!
You can not please God with the law alone correct!
Read James
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But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. ([bless and do not curse]James‬ [bless and do not curse]1‬:[bless and do not curse]14-16‬ KJV)
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What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? ([bless and do not curse]James‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]14‬ KJV)
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If someone has faith to do a great works and never uses that faith it is of no profit to anyone, so if I had the faith to pray for someone who had just died in front of me but never prayed my faith is of no profit to anyone, it does not raise the dead person, it does not glorify god and it does not give non believers the faith to believe.
it does not mean i have to do good works rather than have faith to be saved.
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Ummm, no. Law and grace cannot be mixed. That's exactly what they were trying to do in Galatians. For which Paul called them bewitched and foolish.
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Steeno7 said:
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? ([bless and do not curse]James‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]14‬ KJV)
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Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: ([bless and do not curse]Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]20‬ KJV)
Grace / faith In his grace It allows you to follow the law
Grace / faith In his grace It allows you to follow the law
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What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ([bless and do not curse]Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]15‬ KJV)
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lori milne said:
grace is not by its self going to save you! you must do the works!
Jesus said repent turn from your sin that's obey The laws
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but we do sin, we cannot help sinning, even Paul said why is it so easy to do the things i shouldn't yet so hard to do the things i should.
We cannot be without sin and all sin is willful but there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, we commit the crime, so to speak but we are no longer condemned for it, it has no charge against us because it has been paid for by Jesus in full.
No we don't go sinning because we are saved by Grace, why would we but god has trusted us with an amazing Gift and by his Grace he trusts us to use that gift wisely not abusively but our salvation is sealed.
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