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Can we fall from grace ?
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We are all sinners but in my walk with the Lord I don't have sin in my life to choice from!
I can only make a right choice not a left choice! It's not in me to have that sin to choose to do or not do, people say you can't not sin ! I say how can you sin!
I am a sinner". I have sinned but I have the fear of GOD in me to take the Word seriously and not dismiss what I don't like or vs vs my father wants me to be a Good child of God so I am because I Love him and am faithful and because I am not thirsty for the world but his word!
Every man has sinned but it is still a choice God gives us all
I can only make a right choice not a left choice! It's not in me to have that sin to choose to do or not do, people say you can't not sin ! I say how can you sin!
I am a sinner". I have sinned but I have the fear of GOD in me to take the Word seriously and not dismiss what I don't like or vs vs my father wants me to be a Good child of God so I am because I Love him and am faithful and because I am not thirsty for the world but his word!
Every man has sinned but it is still a choice God gives us all
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I see a lot of folks in the church for 20/30 years and ministering even and being slaves to sin, smoking , porn , secular music and movies, profaning and drinking alcohol, how is it there is no consequence for living such a none God FEARING life ? Or I can say how come I can't sin or why is sin not ok? Practice g sin and not feeling bad,not attempting to repent just justifying it or thinking it's just what I do? And God will forgive me because I'm a sinner?
This is what stumbles me, I don't understand? I am scared for my brothers and sister in Christ who are falling into sin willfully. I don't claim to be perfect but I feel burning desire to walk the best I can for my Lord to be like him, as he believes I can , so I also believe I can. Not comparing my self for anything but an example as a God fearing woman.
This is what stumbles me, I don't understand? I am scared for my brothers and sister in Christ who are falling into sin willfully. I don't claim to be perfect but I feel burning desire to walk the best I can for my Lord to be like him, as he believes I can , so I also believe I can. Not comparing my self for anything but an example as a God fearing woman.
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If you know these individuals you have every right to go up to them and ask them if they are truly saved. If they are you can rebuke them with the Word. If they are not you can give them the plan of salvation, also with the Word.
Ultimately each one will give account for themselves personally.
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The last line is you will never fall but it's an if you make the effort !! For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 2 Peter‬ 1:5-8, 10‬ ESV)
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Why? Weren't we washed clean with the blood of Christ and imputed with his sinless life? We will be asked to give an account, but Jesus will step in and say, "This is one of mine. I speak for him." We will be given a crown as a son of God, but we'll cast it at the feet of Jesus.
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It is true that believers will give an account of themselves to God. However, it is not to find out whether or not they will go to heaven or hell. That issue has already been decided. It will be to find out about their rewards... whether they are many or few.
But to lori... she says that if she were to hate someone and then die before she has a chance to ask for forgiveness she would go to hell. It may be true that if a person continually hates others it shows that they may not have been saved in the first place. However, the idea that a Christian might have a feeling of hate one time and then die in a car wreck before He remembered to ask for forgiveness and then would go to hell is unscriptural.
But to lori... she says that if she were to hate someone and then die before she has a chance to ask for forgiveness she would go to hell. It may be true that if a person continually hates others it shows that they may not have been saved in the first place. However, the idea that a Christian might have a feeling of hate one time and then die in a car wreck before He remembered to ask for forgiveness and then would go to hell is unscriptural.
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The man in reference bellow was perfect just he didn't want to leave his possessions and follow Jesus!
We all sin yes but with God all things are possible! he gives us true understanding and that is the ability to turn from sin! And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job‬ 28‬:28 KJV
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew‬ 19‬:25-28‬ KJV)
We all sin yes but with God all things are possible! he gives us true understanding and that is the ability to turn from sin! And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job‬ 28‬:28 KJV
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew‬ 19‬:25-28‬ KJV)
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Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]4‬:[bless and do not curse]11‬ KJV)
This would imply you would work for salvation lest you fall away
This would imply you would work for salvation lest you fall away
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Believers must give account of themselves at the Judgment Seat of Christ. This is not for salvation but for the works which we have done (or not done) and the rewards that may (or may not) be awarded (Rom 14:10-12):
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
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In order to understand God's Word we take the plain statements of Scripture and then try to understand those which are not so plain. We DO NOT work for our salvation, and once we are saved (born again) we DO NOT lose out salvation. Notice that little word "unbelief". If you do not have genuine faith in Christ and truly believe that He has done absolutely everything for your salvation, THEN THAT IS UNBELIEF. If you do not believe that you can "rest" from your works since He has done all the work, THEN THAT IS UNBELIEF.
On the other hand, believing with a child-like faith what Christ Himself has said is FAITH AND TRUST. On that basis you will receive the GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE, and once God gives a gift, He never takes it back. He is not man. Notice carefully what Christ says in Jn 3:14-18:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
BELIEVE------> RECEIVE EVERLASTING LIFE
DO NOT BELIEVE----> RECEIVE ETERNAL DAMNATION
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You have an incorrect understanding of the story of the Rich Young Ruler.
The Rich Young Ruler plainly believed that we can earn eternal life by doing good works and keeping the commandments. So he asked Jesus..." what GOOD THING shall I DO to obtain eternal life? So Jesus explained that if he was wanting to obtain eternal life by DOING GOOD THINGS he would have to keep all of the commandments of Moses including not stealing, killing or committing adultery.
Instead of admitting that he had broken the commandments, in his pride, he claimed that he had never broken a single commandment since childhood. So Jesus decided to show Him that he had indeed broken the commandments. So Jesus preceded to show Him that He had broken both the tenth commandment (Thou shalt not covet) as well as the first commandment (You shalt have no other gods before me)
So to show that he was coveteous Jesus said to Him... sell all you have and give to the poor... but the young man wouldn't do it... and so Jesus proved to him that He was a lawbreaker in need of mercy.
Then, to show that he was putting other gods before God Jesus said "come and follow Me". But the young man wouldn't do that either so Jesus proved to him that he was putting other things before the Lord. So that proved that the young man was a lawbreaker in need of mercy.
So at this point the young man should have done what the sinner did in the story of the Pharisee and the tax collector did.... He should have fallen down at Jesus' feet and said... "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner!" If he would have done that He would have been forgiven and justified.
Instead, he just walked away sadly. Jesus never once explained the gospel to the young man. The young man wasn't ready to hear the gospel. He was so committed to the idea of salvation by his ability to keep the law that he wasn't ready to hear the concept that He was a sinner who needed to look in faith to Jesus for mercy.
Now Peter already was a believer in Jesus. As a result of His Faith he had done many good deeds. And Jesus assured him that believers like him who have done much for Christ will be rewarded with many good things and also, since they are believers, will have eternal life.
This does not teach that we earn salvation by our works. It teaches that once we have faith in Christ and are justified and saved we will then be willing to follow Christ and all believers are rewarded for their works.
Finally, if you look in John 5:24 you will see that the moment we believe in Jesus we already have eternal life and will not ever come into judgment. Jesus says "Most assuredly I say to you, he who hears my word and believes in Him who sent me HAS everlasting life, and SHALL NOT come into judgment but HAS PASSED from death into life."
So first, the moment we stop trusting in our works and simply believe in Jesus to save us we HAVE eternal life. We possess it immediately and SHALL NOT ever be judged. Then, since we believe in Jesus and are already saved... we are willing to follow Him. So when we die we will be rewarded and will continue to have everlasting life.
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Yes we must believe that is part of salvation but it doesn't deny the labor He Is referring to to avoid falling , All of Hebrews talks about works and having no sacrifice for sin after receiving the knowledge!its a great book if you can truly understand
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No.. if you fall from grace you were never saved to begin with. Salvation in my opinion is that you have 100% submitted your life permanently to God.
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