Can we estimate the probability?

[SharpSolaris]

Atheists seems that no reason to believe that The Creator is exist.
But the Creator really exist. This is a man. And a man can make robots in his own image and likeness, make the universe in computer etc. The Creator/the God = the man.
As a result - atheists asserts that intelligent Creator is impossible (and thus asserts that a man is impossible!). Which is contrary to reality (I am here!).
So we must acknowledge that - exists some probability of the existence of the Creator. What is this probability? It is vanishingly small, it is so fantastic and miserable that it could not seriously be taken into account, right? Yes, the way it is.
But (!): probability existence The Creator, does not less that probability existence a man... How can you say that no reason to believe that The Creator is exist?
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We can not prove or disprove The Creator. But we can estimate the probability (that science does not prohibit). And this probability is high.
Why do you say that this probability does not exist?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

The probability of a First Cause (a.k.a. YHWH/God) of the universe is 100% since causality is assumed.

"In the discussion of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory it has been emphasised that we use the classical concepts in describing our experimental equipment and more generally in describing that part of the world which does not belong to the object of the experiment. The use of these concepts, including space, time and causality, is in fact the condition for observing atomic events and is, in this sense of the word, 'a priori'." -- Werner Heisenberg, physicist, Physics and Philosophy, 1958

"I believe that the more thoroughly science is studied the further does it take us from anything comparable to atheism." -- Lord Kelvin, physicist, March 1887

 

[Hespera]

The atheists seems that The Creator is completely absurd idea. However, such intelligent The Creator - exists! This is a man. So It is a fact: The Creator exists in the Universe. The man!

The logic of the atheist asserts that The intelligent Creator is impossible (and asserts that man is impossible). Which is contrary to reality (I am here!) .

So we must acknowledge that - exists some probability of the existence of the Creator. What is this probability? It is vanishingly small, it is so fantastic and miserable that it could not seriously be taken into account, right? Yes, the way it is.

But the joke is that: the probability existence of an intelligent The Creator, does not less that the probability existence of an intelligent man....
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This idea
We can not prove or disprove The Creator. But we can estimate the probability. That science does not prohibit.

Where am I wrong?

How are you wrong? Shall I count the ways.

The atheists seems that The Creator is completely absurd idea

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nope. wrong.

So It is a fact: The Creator exists in the Universe. The man!

unintelligible

The logic of the atheist asserts that The intelligent Creator is impossible

wrong

(and asserts that man is impossible)

wrong

So we must acknowledge that - exists some probability of the existence of the Creator

got one right. but who disagrees with that? nobody who isnt stupid.

It is vanishingly small, it is so fantastic and miserable

who knows? you dont, i dont, nobody does. facts not inevidence

But the joke is that: the probability existence of an intelligent The Creator, does not less that the probability existence of an intelligent man....

I dont get the joke,

We can not prove or disprove The Creator. But we can estimate the probability. That science does not prohibit

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No prohibition, but i dont think you or anyone can do it.

Score:

two plain wrong
two news of the tautological
one unintelligible
three assertions of facts not in evidence

 

[SharpSolaris]

I have not seen atheists who would said to me: "May be God exists. Who disagrees with that?". Otherwise he no an atheist but an agnostic.
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I re-write OP.

 

[SharpSolaris]

...i dont think you or anyone can do it.

It's easy.
The probability of the Creator = the probability of a man.

 

[Hespera]

I have not seen atheists who would said to me: "May be God exists. Who disagrees with that?". Otherwise he no an atheist but an agnostic.
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I re-write OP.

this labeling stuff is kind of tiresome.

Im an atheist. i dont believe there is a god.
but nobody knows.

what is so hard about that.

Everyone is somewhere on the agnostic bell curve, some just believe more or less than otehrs

 

[Hespera]

It's easy.
The probability of the Creator = the probability of a man.

It doesnt happen to be true, or make any sense, but -
If that formula pleases you, then it does.

 

[SharpSolaris]

OK I understand.
But I would like go back to this topic. When I shall to write is clearly. I have more arguments and calculations of probability! =)

 

[Hespera]

OK I understand.
But I would like go back to this topic. When I shall to write is clearly. I have more arguments and calculations of probability! =)

i had to learn English too. its a struggle!

 

[Cabal]

Atheists seems that no reason to believe that The Creator is exist.
But the Creator really exist. This is a man. And a man can make robots in his own image and likeness, make the universe in computer etc. The Creator/the God = the man.

Just because we design some things does not mean that all is designed.

As a result - atheists asserts that intelligent Creator is impossible (and thus asserts that a man is impossible!). Which is contrary to reality (I am here!).

I am here too. That does not mean that god is.

So we must acknowledge that - exists some probability of the existence of the Creator. What is this probability? It is vanishingly small, it is so fantastic and miserable that it could not seriously be taken into account, right? Yes, the way it is.

I'd be surprised if you could even calculate it in the first place - this isn't an insult, merely an observation that I doubt any human could determine enough about God (as they describe him, usually a 3-omni god) to calculate such things about him.

But (!): probability existence The Creator, does not less that probability existence a man... How can you say that no reason to believe that The Creator is exist?

I can say that because I'm utterly unconvinced of this argument. How did you calculate such a thing? If all you're saying is that God must exist because we exist, then I'm going to have to disagree - that's little more than the watchmaker argument, which isn't a convincing argument.

---We can not prove or disprove The Creator. But we can estimate the probability (that science does not prohibit). And this probability is high.
Why do you say that this probability does not exist?

What probability? You haven't even quoted a number.

 

[Upisoft]

I have not seen atheists who would said to me: "May be God exists. Who disagrees with that?". Otherwise he no an atheist but an agnostic.
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I re-write OP.

You're using an old and bad definition of "agnostic".
An agnostic, is one that believes we can't know God (that includes His existence).

An atheist does not believe in God. That means he is not 100% sure there is one. If you have even a slightest doubt that God exists, there you are, you are an atheist.

 

[SharpSolaris]

Just because we design some things does not mean that all is designed.

Yes. This just means that the God as (is like) a human. Or a humans as (is like) the God. Because I do not see the difference.

I am here too. That does not mean that god is.

Yes. That means only the probability. Because if the God and a human is same thing, and a human - exists, then we can not say that the God is impossible. Otherwise we will have to say that a human is impossible too. Which is contrary to reality. Because you are here too. =)

What probability? You haven't even quoted a number.

The numbers are not important, now. The God and a humans have equal (identical) probability to existence. If you are willing to accept this, then possible move on. Otherwise - it makes no sense.

 

[SharpSolaris]

You're using an old and bad definition of "agnostic".
An agnostic, is one that believes we can't know God (that includes His existence).
An atheist does not believe in God. That means he is not 100% sure there is one. If you have even a slightest doubt that God exists, there you are, you are an atheist.

Really? I heard it the first time.

 

[Upisoft]

Really? I heard it the first time.

I'm glad I could help.

 

[SharpSolaris]

Atheists and agnostics in the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Russian forums - think otherwise. So I'm surprised. Do you know what I can to read about it?

 

[Upisoft]

Atheists and agnostics in the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Russian forums - think otherwise. So I'm surprised. Do you know what I can to read about it?

Agnosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SharpSolaris]

Apparently you are mistaken.

Quote:
"Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."
Agnosticism - Wikipedia

This is my position.
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Maybe you're a believer, but the disguise as an agnostic? =)

 

[Upisoft]

Apparently you are mistaken.

Quote:
"Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."
Agnosticism - Wikipedia

This is my position.

OK. Maybe in your corner of the world "agnosticism" usually means "weak agnosticism", because that is the most common form there. Usually, however, the meaning is what the beginning of the wiki topic describes it. Of course, it would be better if we (both me and you) we more precise in our definitions. As you have already fixed that it is my turn to say I'm agnostic atheist with stress on agnostic. I certainly don't think that something that describes a disbelief (atheism) is more important than something that describes belief (agnosticism). So, I go with agnosticism first.

 

[SharpSolaris]

OK. I understand.

 

[Hespera]

Really? I heard it the first time.

I dont think any label we could use would really work very well, other than to say we are all people.

Id say we are all on different points along a continuum of belief.. Some disbelieve all but one god, some are sure there is a god; some believe in lots of them, for others, we think there could be at least one god. None of us know, we just have feelings or opinions.


People who do say they know are lying, to themselves and the rest of us.