Can theistic evolutionists be saved?

[Northern Christian]

YECs, OECs, can theistic evolutionists be saved? I have to the conclusion that they can.

 

[TheBear]

Can YEC's be saved? I would say yes. Anyone has the potential for being saved.

Are YEC's saved? This is on an individual basis. Salvation is based on a personal relationship with God, accepting that we are sinners who need Christ to redeem our souls.

However, the only One who is to judge one's salvation is God.

 

[TheBear]

Oh, yeah. The same can be said for Theistic Evolutionists, IDers, OEC's and just about anyone else.

 

[TheBear]

I just love these 'push polls'.

 

[Bushido216]

The belief in a literal Genesis isn't a salvation issue. Acceptance of Jesus Christ as your (my) personal Lord and Saviour is.

 

[Ark Guy]

It is said that the JW's or the Mormons have no salvation because they believe and trust in a false Christ.

Now the Thiestic Evos deny that Christ created the world in six days and deny that Christ made man from the dust and Eve from his side...so, are they following the true Jesus?

Considering that the Theo-Evos need to change so much scripture to make the bible fit with evolutuonism...do they really trust the bible?

I never really did get a good answer on how they can tell the biblical fact form fiction.

 

[Bushido216]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

"Theo-Evo's don't trust the Bible."

Then we wouldn't be THEISTIC Evolutionists, would we? We don't deny that the Trinity is responsible for all things, we just debate the methods used by the Trinity. I argue the Law of Emergent Properties, some less informed people argue that everything was plopped down as is.

 

[jbarcher]

Keep in mind that I'm new to this, when reading, please.

Theistic...is this term appliable to Christians only or anyone who believes in a god, a God, or gods?

 

[TheBear]

Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

That's what I consider the core tenets of Christianity.

 

[seebs]

Theistic...is this term appliable to Christians only or anyone who believes in a god, a God, or gods?

It is indeed a general term. So, for instance, Wiccan biologists are often also theistic evolutionists.

However, the ones posting over here, in the Christians-only forums, can be reasonably assumed to be not merely theists in general, but Christians in particular.

 

[jbarcher]

Ah okay. I figured I should assume that theistic in this forum was for Christians, but I guess it's good to know. Thanks!

 

[Bushido216]

Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

That's what I consider the core tenets of Christianity.

Fortuitously for us Theo-Evo's, it doesn't say how God created Heaven and Earth.

 

[Ark Guy]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

"Theo-Evo's don't trust the Bible."

Then we wouldn't be THEISTIC Evolutionists, would we? We don't deny that the Trinity is responsible for all things, we just debate the methods used by the Trinity. I argue the Law of Emergent Properties, some less informed people argue that everything was plopped down as is.

I know exactly what I' talking about. Guys like you make me shutter with what you do to the bible.

You change everything. You think the linage of Jesus is false. You think Paul was out to lunch when he confirms the OT when he said man was fashioned from the dust...once again, you don't trust the bible.

 

[Ark Guy]

Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,

The bible is quite clear that Jesus was the creator.

Personally I think the Nicene creed is wrong on this point.

 

[TheBear]

The bible is quite clear that Jesus was the creator.

Personally I think the Nicene creed is wrong on this point.

Um, instead of just snipping the Nicene Creed, read it in it's entirety. You will see that it does say that through Him, (Christ), all things were made.



Just a reminder....

Those who do not adhere to the Nicene Creed in it's entirety, are not permitted to post in the Christians Only forums, as per rule #6.

 

[Chi_Cygni]

What about the Apostles Creed?

I thought both fulfilled the rules.

 

[TheBear]

[noco]

 

[Chi_Cygni]

Mmmm OK.

By the way defining Mormons and such as cults is debatable.

Strictly, from a dictionary definition, all religions are cults.

But most people mean it in a mean spirited way. I think your sentence intends it as a negative - which means Seventh Day Adventists and Baptists hould be in your sentence too.

 

[TheBear]

This is not a fora to discuss or debate the rules of Christian Forums. Also, these are not my personal words. These are the official rules we all agreed to when we registered here.

http://www.christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_no_co

 

[Buck72]

To answer the original question, it is strikingly obvious (albeit through my conservative, fundamental, "yec", literal bible-believing, God-fearing, close-minded self) that ALL of Adam's descendants can be saved.

What one chooses to believe about the Creation does give away their reference point for what they deem important. To the YEC, the Bible is everything, to the TE, the Bible is an accessory.

Most all of us know that it is by grace we are saved through faith, and that not of ourselves it is the gift of God.

And faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Also, faith is substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Scripture references available on request.