Can the Sabbath be separated from the other nine commandments?

[mrasell]

I think the problem I notice in this forum is the notion that somehow the Sabbath is different from the other nine commandments.

Most if not all Christian denominations support the 10 commandments or moral laws of the OT. This can be confirmed by looking at official creeds or statements.

One only has to listed to John Wesleys sermons about the Sabbath, to see he felt a Christian should observe the Sabbath, although he applied that to Sunday.

The story of Nehemiah restoring the walls of Jerusalem is a type of the end time restoration of the moral law of God. The holes made in the law need to be fixed.
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Those who oppose observance of the Sabbath, don't realise that they are going down the path of abolition of all the 10 Commandments, which would lead to anarchy in this world.

It has always been Satan's plan to destroy the law of God, to follow what he wanted to do in his own heart. Thus the children of rebellion do not wish to keep the law of God (Romans 8:6-7).

Another thing I've noticed is that people speak of the Sabbath as legalism, but perhaps they have never experienced a good Sabbath. My family opens the Sabbath together, we read the Bible and pray. Its a time we can talk together, have some special food. Then go to church the next day, perhaps a walk in nature after church. Its really a great blessing on the Sabbath. Unless you've experienced the Sabbath you don't know what your missing. Its a foretaste of heaven, and it is a time to draw closer to Jesus and trust in Him for salvation, and also remember that He is our Creator and Saviour.

This is why in Exodus 31:13 it says that the Sabbath is a sign that it is the Lord that makes us holy. We are saved by His grace, the Sabbath teaches us that, to rest in Him.
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[Cribstyl]

I think the problem I notice in this forum is the notion that somehow the Sabbath is different from the other nine commandments.

Yes Sabbath can be separated from the other 9 commandments.

If God said that Sabbath is a sign that fact sets it apart from the other 9.
Which of the other 9 is conditional base on what day it is?
Why would you find it an immoral act to pick up sticks to cook or warm your home on a certain day?

 

[Devorim]

I am grateful for Sabbath. I understand, however, the inconvenience of Sabbath, since the rest of Christendom mainly ignores it, making it difficult to set aside as a special day to glorify G-d with community. I remember how hard it was when I first began to set it aside. To do it, I had to buck everyone in my path, except G-d.

I bucked my old church. I bucked family members. I bucked having a day when I was able to enjoy a restaurant meal. I bucked a day when I would have (before) run up to the store for some forgotten item.

When I first started, my husband asked me, "What will this do to your testimony before the neighbors, when you aren't going to church on Sunday anymore?" I answered, "It will tell them that I am now worshiping with community on Shabbat."

Now, he worships with me on Sabbath.

It is hard to switch days to the biblical Sabbath, but it is so worth it. It is a sign forever.

 

[maco]

I am grateful for Sabbath. I understand, however, the inconvenience of Sabbath, since the rest of Christendom mainly ignores it, making it difficult to set aside as a special day to glorify G-d with community. I remember how hard it was when I first began to set it aside. To do it, I had to buck everyone in my path, except G-d.

I bucked my old church. I bucked family members. I bucked having a day when I was able to enjoy a restaurant meal. I bucked a day when I would have (before) run up to the store for some forgotten item.

When I first started, my husband asked me, "What will this do to your testimony before the neighbors, when you aren't going to church on Sunday anymore?" I answered, "It will tell them that I am now worshiping with community on Shabbat."

Now, he worships with me on Sabbath.

It is hard to switch days to the biblical Sabbath, but it is so worth it. It is a sign forever.

Very nice testimony...

The Sabbath is special. God created it for man as a blessed and holy day. Why would God or any other living creature want to do away with something that is blessed and holy?

Satan has surely twisted what God has said and done and many of God's people are being led astray.

 

[maco]

I think the problem I notice in this forum is the notion that somehow the Sabbath is different from the other nine commandments.

Most if not all Christian denominations support the 10 commandments or moral laws of the OT. This can be confirmed by looking at official creeds or statements.

One only has to listed to John Wesleys sermons about the Sabbath, to see he felt a Christian should observe the Sabbath, although he applied that to Sunday.

The story of Nehemiah restoring the walls of Jerusalem is a type of the end time restoration of the moral law of God. The holes made in the law need to be fixed.
<Staff Edit>

Those who oppose observance of the Sabbath, don't realise that they are going down the path of abolition of all the 10 Commandments, which would lead to anarchy in this world.

It has always been Satan's plan to destroy the law of God, to follow what he wanted to do in his own heart. Thus the children of rebellion do not wish to keep the law of God (Romans 8:6-7).

Another thing I've noticed is that people speak of the Sabbath as legalism, but perhaps they have never experienced a good Sabbath. My family opens the Sabbath together, we read the Bible and pray. Its a time we can talk together, have some special food. Then go to church the next day, perhaps a walk in nature after church. Its really a great blessing on the Sabbath. Unless you've experienced the Sabbath you don't know what your missing. Its a foretaste of heaven, and it is a time to draw closer to Jesus and trust in Him for salvation, and also remember that He is our Creator and Saviour.

This is why in Exodus 31:13 it says that the Sabbath is a sign that it is the Lord that makes us holy. We are saved by His grace, the Sabbath teaches us that, to rest in Him.<Staff Edit>

Thanks for sharing. There is still more for us to do to come out of Babylon. I pray that the people of God would watch my videos and use them to help others to see the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwVHEk_wwM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VANW1HoPnKk

 

[PapaBillyJr2]

The Sabbath is a commandment and is to be followed. Nobody will ever deny that. But let us not forget that as Christians we are not Jews that follow Judaism. That is why we can wear all types of material in our clothing, which Jews can't, we eat pork which they can't do either, and we see Jesus as the prophesied Messiah that the do not. Now because Jesus did rise on the first day of the week, Christians, not Jews, worship on what we call 'The Lords Day'. 1 Cor. 16:2 says for us to give our tythes the first day of the week. Now just because Christians are going to church on Sunday instead of the Sabbath, does not mean that the Sabbath is being dishonored, it simply means that we are recognizing that Jesus is the Messiah. Saturday worshippers (Jews) are still waiting to bring sacrifices back into play. A Christian knows that Jesus was the final and last sacrifice ever needed, so we now worship on the victory day, the day Jesus conquered death, and that would be Sunday. Pretty simple actually, if Jesus really is our savior.

 

[maco]

The Sabbath is a commandment and is to be followed. Nobody will ever deny that. But let us not forget that as Christians we are not Jews that follow Judaism. That is why we can wear all types of material in our clothing, which Jews can't, we eat pork which they can't do either, and we see Jesus as the prophesied Messiah that the do not. Now because Jesus did rise on the first day of the week, Christians, not Jews, worship on what we call 'The Lords Day'. 1 Cor. 16:2 says for us to give our tythes the first day of the week. Now just because Christians are going to church on Sunday instead of the Sabbath, does not mean that the Sabbath is being dishonored, it simply means that we are recognizing that Jesus is the Messiah. Saturday worshippers (Jews) are still waiting to bring sacrifices back into play. A Christian knows that Jesus was the final and last sacrifice ever needed, so we now worship on the victory day, the day Jesus conquered death, and that would be Sunday. Pretty simple actually, if Jesus really is our savior.

Like I said, we, as God's people have more to work on to come out of Babylon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwVHEk_wwM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VANW1HoPnKk

 

[Devorim]

The Sabbath is a commandment and is to be followed. Nobody will ever deny that. But let us not forget that as Christians we are not Jews that follow Judaism. That is why we can wear all types of material in our clothing, which Jews can't, we eat pork which they can't do either, and we see Jesus as the prophesied Messiah that the do not.

Sir, you are mixing what the Bible says and what the oral law says when it comes to mixed fabrics. The Bible does not say not to mix fabrics; it only mentions not mixing wool and linen, because that is the fabric of priestly clothing. It is not Jews who say not to eat pork and other non-food items; G-d is the One Who gave this Law in the Bible. A Jew may do whatever a Jew may choose to do, from wearing wool mixed with linen to eating things G-d has declared not to be food, but many don't, because they choose to obey the Judge, the High and Holy One, the One who created them.

Now because Jesus did rise on the first day of the week, Christians, not Jews, worship on what we call 'The Lords Day'. 1 Cor. 16:2 says for us to give our tythes the first day of the week. Now just because Christians are going to church on Sunday instead of the Sabbath, does not mean that the Sabbath is being dishonored, it simply means that we are recognizing that Jesus is the Messiah. Saturday worshippers (Jews) are still waiting to bring sacrifices back into play. A Christian knows that Jesus was the final and last sacrifice ever needed, so we now worship on the victory day, the day Jesus conquered death, and that would be Sunday. Pretty simple actually, if Jesus really is our savior.

It forever amazes me that some, in order to honor Messiah, choose to break the Father's Law regarding Sabbath. especially considering that He and the Father are One. It is like cutting up and discarding parts of the Declaration of Independence in order to honor the United States.

Also, can you explain why Paul, in spite of your assessment of sacrifices, paid for the young men's sacrifice when their Nazirite vow was ended -- as advised by the Apostolic leaders?

 

[Cribstyl]

Most if not all Christian denominations support the 10 commandments or moral laws of the OT. This can be confirmed by looking at official creeds or statements.

The bible establishes that love fulfills the law. That should be the official creed that all Christendom should acknowledge as truth.

Those who oppose observance of the Sabbath, don't realise that they are going down the path of abolition of all the 10 Commandments, which would lead to anarchy in this world.

It has always been Satan's plan to destroy the law of God, to follow what he wanted to do in his own heart. Thus the children of rebellion do not wish to keep the law of God (Romans 8:6-7).

Being accused of opposing Sabbath and God's law come from Sabbathkeepers who believe that we're breaking the law.

I don't celebrate your birthday but I don't oppose you celebrating your birthday or any event you choose to celebrate.

The fact is, you have issue with those who don't keep the days you believe they should keep.
How do you go about proving that everyone should keep the Sabbath?
Does the scriptures say what you believe to be true?

Another thing I've noticed is that people speak of the Sabbath as legalism, but perhaps they have never experienced a good Sabbath. My family opens the Sabbath together, we read the Bible and pray. Its a time we can talk together, have some special food. Then go to church the next day, perhaps a walk in nature after church. Its really a great blessing on the Sabbath. Unless you've experienced the Sabbath you don't know what your missing. Its a foretaste of heaven, and it is a time to draw closer to Jesus and trust in Him for salvation, and also remember that He is our Creator and Saviour.

This is why in Exodus 31:13 it says that the Sabbath is a sign that it is the Lord that makes us holy. We are saved by His grace, the Sabbath teaches us that, to rest in Him.

 

[Cribstyl]

I am grateful for Sabbath. I understand, however, the inconvenience of Sabbath, since the rest of Christendom mainly ignores it, making it difficult to set aside as a special day to glorify G-d with community. I remember how hard it was when I first began to set it aside. To do it, I had to buck everyone in my path, except G-d.

I bucked my old church. I bucked family members. I bucked having a day when I was able to enjoy a restaurant meal. I bucked a day when I would have (before) run up to the store for some forgotten item.

When I first started, my husband asked me, "What will this do to your testimony before the neighbors, when you aren't going to church on Sunday anymore?" I answered, "It will tell them that I am now worshiping with community on Shabbat."

Now, he worships with me on Sabbath.

It is hard to switch days to the biblical Sabbath, but it is so worth it. It is a sign forever.

Psstt, most of America have off days on Saturdays and Sundays. How much bucking do you have to do to keep the Sabbath?

 

[Cribstyl]

This thread is going away from the OP because issues are being expanded by almost every poster. Try responding to what you agree or disagree with.

 

[PapaBillyJr2]

Sir, you are mixing what the Bible says and what the oral law says when it comes to mixed fabrics. The Bible does not say not to mix fabrics; it only mentions not mixing wool and linen, because that is the fabric of priestly clothing. It is not Jews who say not to eat pork and other non-food items; G-d is the One Who gave this Law in the Bible. A Jew may do whatever a Jew may choose to do, from wearing wool mixed with linen to eating things G-d has declared not to be food, but many don't, because they choose to obey the Judge, the High and Holy One, the One who created them. It forever amazes me that some, in order to honor Messiah, choose to break the Father's Law regarding Sabbath. especially considering that He and the Father are One. It is like cutting up the Declaration of Independence in order to honor the United States. Also, can you explain why Paul, in spite of your assessment of sacrifices, paid for the young men's sacrifice when their Nazirite vow was ended -- as advised by the Apostolic leaders?

Let me see if I got this right. Are you saying that we still need sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins? Hebrews 10:12 says the complete opposite of that. Old Testament sacrifices never forgave sins. They only covered them. Now they are washed away through faith. Without a Messiah this could never had happened. Abraham was a gentile, as was the rest of the world for 2,000 years. God made His people through him. We are not Jewish, nor are we gentile. We are the church (1 Cor. 10:32). Since these are three separate groups, why are you combining them?

 

[Devorim]

Psstt, most of America have off days on Saturdays and Sundays. How much bucking do you have to do to keep the Sabbath?

None anymore. I had to do a lot of bucking in the beginning of my observing Sabbath. If you'll look at my post, you will see the many people I had to cross, as well as some of the things/events, in order to observe Sabbath.

 

[Cribstyl]

Let me see if I got this right. Are you saying that we still need sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins? Hebrews 10:12 says the complete opposite of that. Old Testament sacrifices never forgave sins. They only covered them. Now they are washed away through faith. Without a Messiah this could never had happened. Abraham was a gentile, as was the rest of the world for 2,000 years. God made His people through him. We are not Jewish, nor are we gentile. We are the church (1 Cor. 10:32). Since these are three separate groups, why are you combining them?

I agree with you in part.

Gentile in both Hebrew and Greek is simply defined as non-Hebrew or non-Jew. So if you're not a Jew, then you're a Gentile.

 

[Devorim]

This thread is going away from the OP because issues are being expanded by almost every poster. Try responding to what you agree or disagree with.

We have all been discussing Sabbath, as far as I can see. Perhaps I am a poor reader/writer? Perhaps my questions are difficult to answer?

 

[Cribstyl]

None anymore. I had to do a lot of bucking in the beginning of my observing Sabbath. If you'll look at my post, you will see the many people I had to cross, as well as some of the things/events, in order to observe Sabbath.

I hear you........

Can the Sabbath be separated from the other 9 commandment? Why or why not?

 

[Devorim]

Let me see if I got this right. Are you saying that we still need sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins? Hebrews 10:12 says the complete opposite of that. Old Testament sacrifices never forgave sins. They only covered them. Now they are washed away through faith. Without a Messiah this could never had happened. Abraham was a gentile, as was the rest of the world for 2,000 years. God made His people through him. We are not Jewish, nor are we gentile. We are the church (1 Cor. 10:32). Since these are three separate groups, why are you combining them?

You know very well that I never wrote "that we still need sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins?" This is way too obvious.

As for your assertion that "We are not Jewish, nor are we gentile. We are the church (1 Cor. 10:32). Since these are three separate groups, why are you combining them?" There is no separation anymore, according to Scripture. Those in Messiah are one -- women, men, Jew, Gentile. That is basic Bible.

 

[maco]

Psstt, most of America have off days on Saturdays and Sundays. How much bucking do you have to do to keep the Sabbath?

People can have Saturday off and still not be honoring the Sabbath. Honoring the Sabbath is about understanding what it represents. It's about allowing the seventh day of creation to strengthen our belief in a God who created all things. It's about pondering all that God has done for us through creation and continues to do for us. It's about experiencing a little piece of God's eternal kingdom in this temporary age. It's about being a light to a dying world. It's about standing up for God and His ways over the ways of man. It's about living by faith. It's about trusting the promises of God. It's about being set apart for God as His people. Unbelievers, as well as, some believers have Saturday off and could careless about the seventh day being blessed and made holy by God as part of creation itself or that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[Devorim]

I hear you........

Can the Sabbath be separated from the other 9 commandment? Why or why not?

Is this a trick question for you? To me, it seems like an honest question, but, well, you know. When we all get started in threads like this, we all know what it leads to, yet we do them -- we write in them!

The Word to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy is the fourth Word. The first four point to G-d and worship of Him. Starting with the fifth, the commands tell us how to treat others. So I suppose one may say that it separates, because it is the final of the Words to point to G-d. Is that what you intend, or have I missed your point?

 

[maco]

Let me see if I got this right. Are you saying that we still need sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins? Hebrews 10:12 says the complete opposite of that. Old Testament sacrifices never forgave sins. They only covered them. Now they are washed away through faith. Without a Messiah this could never had happened. Abraham was a gentile, as was the rest of the world for 2,000 years. God made His people through him. We are not Jewish, nor are we gentile. We are the church (1 Cor. 10:32). Since these are three separate groups, why are you combining them?

For some reason you believe sin and obedience to God is a Jewish thing. Open your eyes and stop listening to modern preachers who are leading God's people down the wrong path.

Romans 2:8-10 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Gentile; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.

Gentiles are not part of a private club that is outside following the ways of God. Sorry...