Really. Then do what Jesus said to do in that passage. Sell all your possessions and go follow Him.
Did the apostles not teach what Jesus taught?
The two sentences in bold above are contradicting each other.
It was actually your claim not mine.Well now, have you drunk His literal blood and eaten His literal flesh? If not, you are not a partaker of His eternal life. Since you want literal, worldly interpretations of His Word, and you have't drunk His blood nor eaten His flesh, why are you even arguing Heavenly things with me?
We are not told to exegete anything; we are told to believe and do them.
Well I'm glad you brought 1 John 2:4 up. In the very next chapter, John very kindly qualifies what he means.Are you referring to what John the apostle wrote?
1 John 2:4
The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
Do you keep His commandments, or are you a liar?
No, you are literally contradicting yourself in those two paragraphs.Not if one knows the spiritual, inner meaning of what Jesus said.
It was actually your claim not mine.
“Believe and do them.” Which for your theology whatever device you are using to post here, sell it and use the proceeds to feed the poor.
Again this is your issue to resolve as you don’t exegete Holy Scriptures. I do and the passage on the Lords Supper is easily explained.Have you drunk His literal blood? Yes or no? If not, why are you wanting the cup the disciples drank to be His literal blood?
Again a problem for your pluck a verse from the Gospels hermeneutics.What good is selling physical, worldly things, and keeping evil in one's heart? I assure you, it is much better to rid your heart of sin. Then and only then are you able to be perfect.
Again this is your issue to resolve as you don’t exegete Holy Scriptures. I do and the passage on the Lords Supper is easily explained.
Yet you plucked one verse out of context where Christ engages a rich young man.
You plucked out “keep the commandments” as if that one statement was isolated from the full context. Which ends later in the chapter.
You are treating the words of Christ as if they are a red letter haikus.
Again a problem for your pluck a verse from the Gospels hermeneutics.
You are entitled to your opinion. I tend to take in the whole council of God and not clippings here and there.I treat Jesus' words as the words of life. You treat them like they are just ink on paper.
You are entitled to your opinion. I tend to take in the whole council of God and not clippings here and there.
Again this is your issue to resolve as you don’t exegete Holy Scriptures. I do and the passage on the Lords Supper is easily explained.
Yet you plucked one verse out of context where Christ engages a rich young man.
You plucked out “keep the commandments” as if that one statement was isolated from the full context. Which ends later in the chapter.
You are treating the words of Christ as if they are a red letter haikus.
Again a problem for your pluck a verse from the Gospels hermeneutics.
Of course the statement was quite serious. Jesus was challenging the young man by presenting the law of Sinai. And as such the young man must answer he had to keep them perfectly to have life. It’s what comes next which tells us the rest of the story. The man claimed to keep the commandments Jesus listed but then finds out the man is beholden to idolatry. His money and possessions were more valuable to him than selling all and following Jesus.However, if you want to enter life, keep the commandments, is not something you take seriously. You seem to take it with a grain of salt.
Again that is your problem for picking verses out of context and running with them.Now, have you drunk His literal blood? As I said before, if you haven't, you don't have eternal life. Also, have you washed your garments in His literal blood? Did the disciples drink His literal blood at the last supper?
I have plucked one verse out of context, huh? Let's see, I really wonder if you know the word.
Matthew 19:17
And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
John 14:15
“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandmentsand abide in His love.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
1 John 2:3
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 John 2:4
The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 John 3:22
and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
1 John 3:24
The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
Revelation 12:17
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
What have you been reading? Do you see all these instances of 'keeping His commandments'? It's not some isolated passage in Matthew 19:17. After reading all these passages, do you think we should keep His commandments? Tell me why we shouldn't keep them.
Here is why we should keep them -
1 we enter life by keeping them
2 we love Him by keeping them
3 Jesus will manifest Himself by keeping them
4 we abide in His love by keeping them
5 what matters is keeping them
6 we come to know Him by keeping them
7 we are a liar by not keeping them
8 we receive what we ask by keeping them
9 we abide in Him by keeping them
10 His commandments are not burdensome (so no excuse about "can't keep them")
11 we persevere by keeping them
I never said we should not. Those are words you put in your own imagination.Now redleghunter, prove to me why we shouldn't keep them.
Of course the statement was quite serious. Jesus was challenging the young man by presenting the law of Sinai. And as such the young man must answer he had to keep them perfectly to have life. It’s what comes next which tells us the rest of the story. The man claimed to keep the commandments Jesus listed but then finds out the man is beholden to idolatry. His money and possessions were more valuable to him than selling all and following Jesus.
When the apostles heard not even a rich man can make it to heaven (the Mosaic law taught that if one kept the commandments of God they would prosper here on earth) they exclaimed “Then who can be saved.” Jesus answers. “What is impossible for man is not for God.” Which immediately points us to Mt Zion and the Cross and empty tomb for our Hope. Not the law which is our tutor and exposes our sin.
Again that is your problem for picking verses out of context and running with them.
At the Last Supper Jesus was teaching the disciples what His soon to be sacrifice represented. And by eating or believing and drinking deeply of this Truth in faith we have eternal life. We know this from the context and multitude of teaching on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ throughout the OT and especially the NT.
Now that’s just plucking several verses out of context to meet your presupposition.
I never said we should not. Those are words you put in your own imagination.
I pointed out no one can follow the commandments perfectly other than Christ Jesus. What happens when one commandment is broken and the remainder are broken too based on the one transgression. Your theology does not have an atonement where the purpose of the life of Christ was born to be crucified and risen.
How are your sins atoned for as there is no longer a Temple Day of Atonement?
The challenge is to all of us as well. Which is what commands do we break or ignore in our damned and destitute lives without the Grace of God. Jesus is exposing the man’s sinful life as He is doing to all who read or hear the account.Jesus is challenging you also. What will you say to Him? And Jesus did not challenge the man with the law of Sinai; He only told the man about the ten commandments. You need to read more carefully.
What's more important to you - keeping all your money, or giving it all up and following Him? Tell me why you are different than the young man. Why are you exempt from Jesus' words of life?
Which he wasn’t and which we all fall short.I've never said could save himself. He is only saved by keeping the words of life from the Savior.
What did Jesus do for us to give us eternal life? What is the Promise ?'What is impossible for man is not for God' does not point to the cross and empty tomb. You are adding your personal opinion.
No dismissal. However if you notice I already explained this:So what do you do with this verse?
John 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Do you dismiss it? Do you believe in order to have life, you must eat His flesh and drink His blood? How is it you will eat and drink His literal flesh and blood?
Well let’s look at it.Jesus said nothing about a sacrifice at the last supper. This is something you are adding. You keep wanting it to be His literal blood, but then you say it is His Truth. Which is it?
Not troubling at all. Great verses by the way. It’s your application out of context and not employing the full Biblical revelation of God which concerns me.I'm sorry if giving you passages from the Bible troubles you.
Not adding. At the end of the sermon on the mount where Jesus teaches what we are to be like as Kingdom citizens, He qualifies the entire discourse with the following:No one is told to keep them 'perfectly'. Where did you get this? Why are you adding to the word of God?
Isaiah 53 is the prophecy of the suffering servant. Is this not a prophecy of the coming Messiah Jesus Christ. That He would suffer for our sins?Jesus never said He was born to be crucified. Again, you are adding words to the Bible. You have been listening to man, and not God.
Sins are atoned by repentance and forgiveness. Study what forgiveness means. It may surprise you what it means.
1 John 3:23 left out. Why?I have plucked one verse out of context, huh? Let's see, I really wonder if you know the word.
Matthew 19:17
And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
John 14:15
“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandmentsand abide in His love.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
1 John 2:3
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 John 2:4
The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 John 3:22
and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
1 John 3:24
The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
Revelation 12:17
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
What have you been reading? Do you see all these instances of 'keeping His commandments'? It's not some isolated passage in Matthew 19:17. After reading all these passages, do you think we should keep His commandments? Tell me why we shouldn't keep them.
Here is why we should keep them -
1 we enter life by keeping them
2 we love Him by keeping them
3 Jesus will manifest Himself by keeping them
4 we abide in His love by keeping them
5 what matters is keeping them
6 we come to know Him by keeping them
7 we are a liar by not keeping them
8 we receive what we ask by keeping them
9 we abide in Him by keeping them
10 His commandments are not burdensome (so no excuse about "can't keep them")
11 we persevere by keeping them
Now redleghunter, prove to me why we shouldn't keep them.
The challenge is to all of us as well. Which is what commands do we break or ignore in our damned and destitute lives without the Grace of God. Jesus is exposing the man’s sinful life as He is doing to all who read or hear the account.
And yes the Decalogue was given on Sinai.
Exodus 31:18 (KJV)
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
We are all damned and destitute sinners in need of the gift of salvation.
Which he wasn’t and which we all fall short.
What did Jesus do for us to give us eternal life? What is the Promise ?
No dismissal. However if you notice I already explained this:
At the Last Supper Jesus was teaching the disciples what His soon to be sacrifice represented. And by eating or believing and drinking deeply of this Truth in faith we have eternal life. We know this from the context and multitude of teaching on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ throughout the OT and especially the NT.
Well let’s look at it.
They were celebrating the Passover meal and Jesus tells them His Body and His Blood is this new Covenant in His Blood poured out for them(Luke 22:20).
He was also called the Lamb of God. Lambs were killed for the covering of sins. Especially on the Day of Atonement.
So yes Jesus poured out His literal Blood for our sins when He was crucified. The day before he explains what will happen to him the next day and celebrated the ushering in of the New Passover or Covenant in His Blood which was not shed yet. Akin to the Passover meal which began before the lambs were slaughtered and their blood smeared on the door posts.
Not troubling at all. Great verses by the way. It’s your application out of context and not employing the full Biblical revelation of God which concerns me.
Not adding. At the end of the sermon on the mount where Jesus teaches what we are to be like as Kingdom citizens, He qualifies the entire discourse with the following:
Matthew 5: NASB
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
There it is. The standard is we live perfect lives to enter His Kingdom.
Other than Jesus who do you know of living or has lived a perfect life?
Yes only Jesus Who sacrificed His perfect life for us.
Isaiah 53 is the prophecy of the suffering servant. Is this not a prophecy of the coming Messiah Jesus Christ. That He would suffer for our sins?
The term Atonement comes from the Day of Atonement where there were sacrifices performed to forgive the sins of Israel and her people (See Leviticus 16).
So basically saying to God forgive me for falling short of your perfection does not cut it with a Holy God. For what basis are you asking for forgiveness and according to the New Covenant what is available to atone for your sins if the Blood of Jesus Christ does not forgive our sins?
The Beloved Apostle explains where we receive forgiveness:
1 John 1: NASB
5This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
1 John 3:23 left out. Why?
You quote vs 22, and then vs 24. But why do you leave out vs 23?
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