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Can the holy spirit baptize without water?

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Some people have misinterpreted Jesus' statement in His great commission to mean water baptism when He says that we are to "preach the gospel to all people, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" (Matt 28:19). There is no reference to water here but to the immersing of people into the teachings of the unity of the three persons of the Godhead.

We know that the apostles and other early Christians at times baptized new converts in water. We also know they continued with the rite of circumcision for a time. The Book of Acts is a history of the transition period between the two dispensations of Law and Grace. It is worth noting that after Acts 11, there is no reference to Peter's use or encouragement of water baptism. Paul thanks God he didn't baptize very many and states clearly that God did not sent him to baptize anyone in water.
 
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That verse is interesting as people receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of repenting of their sins and trusting in Jesus. Acts 2: 38 seems to contradict what Jesus taught in Acts 1: 5. Jesus never told anyone to be baptized in water and I follow what Jesus taught not men.

Peter was an Apostle to the Jews... dipping dunking splashing was some kind of Jewish Ritual. Google it if you don't believe me... that's what I had to do.

"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. "(Gal. 2v7-9)

Paul says if you're a Gentile stay a Gentile...

"Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised."(1Cor.7v18)

This oughta tick off the Judaizers, right?
 
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getting baptised it is a fruit of the Spirit and of a true salvation.

The Holy Spirit Himself produces the fruit of the Spirit... it has nothing to do with anything people may decide to do, or may decide not to do... otherwise people are the boss and God is just... what?... along for the ride?
 
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The Holy Spirit Himself produces the fruit of the Spirit... it has nothing to do with anything people may decide to do, or may decide not to do... otherwise people are the boss and God is just... what?... along for the ride?

I can only point you to the vast majority of Christians in the world who have been baptised and the small minority who refuse to be baptised, I might also add that those who refuse usually don't belong to a church either. The fact is, the Holy Spirit gives TRUE Christians the desire to be baptised to fulfill all righteousness in Christ. It is His will and He demands those who would follow Him to be baptised.

"Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?" (Romans 6:3)

It is a symbolic event that represents the reality of our death in Christ as well as our resurrection to new life, do you not understand?
 
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Romans 6:3 refers to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Not true. Nothing in that verse is speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Paul is plainly revealing the truth of how the Christians life is hid in Christ through His death and resurrection, which is symbolized through baptism.

There are various denominations who do not have any outward ceremonies. My denomination has never used water baptism and we have been established for over 350 years.

Whatever "other-church" is, it is not a denomination of the Apostles' Creed churches of the mainstream, your church is not a denomination of the true Christian church, it is a cult.

"We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection." (Romans 6:4,5)
 
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There are denominations that say it's okay for their members to join the Armed Forces even though Jesus commanded us not to do so. They believe in some sort of "just war" which the bible condems. Does this make those denominations a cult?

The God of the bible (the whole bible), is a God of Justice as well as mercy, sometimes for the greater good of the whole, justice must trump mercy. Example: If an attacker broke into your house and attempted to kill your wife, wouldn't the greater good for your wife, your sanity and for future potential victims of the killer be to stop him by all means necessary, obviously "mercy" should not come into play here, but vigilance, honour and courage would. Hence the responsibility to the weak in our world of aggressive evil, to come to their aid in certain occasions is a necessity of godly justice to the overtly evil, as well as godly mercy to the victim. This is the reality of our world.

This is really an off-point though, so I digress, tell me, what is this cult, sect or off-branch of Christianity you subscribe to? do they have a name?
 
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What you said sounds very nice but goes against how Jesus taught us to live.

I am a pastor with the Friends church. Our nickname is Quakers. The other denomination agrees with us is The Salvation Army. I can't remember the name but I read of another denomination that was also in agreement.
 
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Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down) "or 'Who will descend into the deep?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:5-13,NIV)

That is what is necessary for salvation. Everything that follows, including baptism, is merely the outward exhibiting of the saving faith already within us.

As a word of caution, I have dealt with denominations which stated categorically that if a person weren't baptized by immersion after accepting the salvation that God offers us freely, that person was still a lost soul. What the denominations deliberately held back was that even after being baptized by immersion, salvation was always just out of reach (I call their teaching 'salvation on a stick'). There was always one more thing that needed to be done, and more importantly an agenda of their own that needed to be clung to more-and-more fanatically.

Salvation is obtained one way, and one way only. We accept it as a free gift, unearned, undeserved, and incapable of being repaid by any action we might perform:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the prsent time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:19-26,NIV)

The righteousness that God demands of all who would enter his presence is a righteousness equal to his own. That cannot be obtained through obeying any laws, or be observing any rituals. Our only means of successfully obtaining that righteousness is to admit that we can never earn it, accept that Jesus Christ did indeed close the chasm between ourselves and God, and acept the righteousness that God offers freely to any and all who ask for it. The righteousness we can never earn nor augment, we can receive through God's having earned it for us, and then giving it to us out of his infinite mercy.
 
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