Many things in the Bible do appear to be "ridiculous". Fact is, the Bible stipulates water baptism. Our opinion is really irrelevant.
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Can the holy spirit baptize without water?
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Many things in the Bible do appear to be "ridiculous". Fact is, the Bible stipulates water baptism. Our opinion is really irrelevant.
@OP, I've been baptized and anointed without water.
Following that a white dove (Matt 3:16-17) with a red seal (Rev 7:2-3) in its beak descended into my forehead.
So you might be onto something there
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Following that a white dove (Matt 3:16-17) with a red seal (Rev 7:2-3) in its beak descended into my forehead.
So you might be onto something there
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Why? The Church is capable of administering the Sacraments, as can be seen in the Book of Acts.
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What are you waiting for? God has told you in scriptures about baptism. He's provided us with His Word, churches and water. Why wait?
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A-FRIEND
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Jesus was vicariously baptized in water for us, just as He was crucified on the cross for us. We need to see that whatever Jesus did vicariously, we should not follow nor attempt to duplicate. To do so would appear, not as devotion, but show a lack of faith. Why shouldn't we be satisfied with what Jesus has already done for us, without our seeking an insufficient duplicate?
That which Jesus did exemplary we must follow such as His loving all people, His being compassionate, His seeking first the kingdom of God and His telling others the plan of salvation.
That which Jesus did exemplary we must follow such as His loving all people, His being compassionate, His seeking first the kingdom of God and His telling others the plan of salvation.
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*sigh*
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. --Romans 6:4
16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord. --Acts 22:16
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...who baptized people in water.
36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized? [37] [a] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.
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SoldierOfSoul
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If you call yourself a Christian you should have the desire to want to be baptised: getting baptised it is a fruit of the Spirit and of a true salvation. If you don't want to be baptised you may not know the Lord, you may have received a "false gospel" or "another spirit". Jesus demands we be baptised, there is nothing else that needs to be said.
I would direct those who disagree to the quote below:
I would direct those who disagree to the quote below:
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A-FRIEND
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1 Corinthians 1: 14-17 "I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized baptized the household of Stephanus; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel - not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."
I agree with Paul that Christ did not send me to baptize.
I agree with Paul that Christ did not send me to baptize.
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Here's your Scripture:
"John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth One among you, whom ye know not; ...And I knew Him not: but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost"(John 1v26,33)
So the whole baptizing thing was a sign.
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."(John 3v5)
"Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you."(John 15v3)
"Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."(Eph. 5v25-27)
And the water is Scripture itself.
"And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."(John 14v16-17)
The Holy Spirit only indwells Christians, in this Day of Salvation.
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness"(2 Pet. 3v9-11)
And God is not willing that any of us Christians should perish, and so He's waiting until we all agree with Him regarding our actions.
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SoldierOfSoul
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Maybe not, but these verses do:
"Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)
But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. (Acts 8:12)
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SoldierOfSoul
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Notice the verse says "repent" first as a prerequisite to salvation and receiving the Spirit, this would imply salvation was already accomplished in the penitent soul, they were then to "be baptised" as a fruit of their profession.
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SoldierOfSoul
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Really? I do believe these words are in red:
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Matt 28:19)
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SoldierOfSoul
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"But when they believed Philip (they were saved when they believed the gospel) as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ (they grasped the message of the cross and recognized their sin and then received Jesus as their Lord), they were baptized, both men and women." (they were baptised after they were saved as a sign to the world and as a symbol of their factual death on the cross with Jesus Christ and rising to new life as shown through the burial in water and then rising up out of the grave through the resurrection of Christ) (Acts 8:12)
This is the biblical expose' of saving faith and the the fruit and sign of baptism in water. You really need to read Romans. If we would only do what the word of God says instead of questioning it, do it and be done, this would dissolve most, if not all confusion in our walk with the Lord.
This is the biblical expose' of saving faith and the the fruit and sign of baptism in water. You really need to read Romans. If we would only do what the word of God says instead of questioning it, do it and be done, this would dissolve most, if not all confusion in our walk with the Lord.
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... which means God is somehow waiting for y'all to do YOUR part? And until and unless YOU DO IT, He won't actually have done any of this from the foundation of the world:"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified."
Amazing. I guess God was just kidding when He said He won't be sharing His glory with anybody... because here y'all are... getting ready for that back-patting ceremony.
Seriously, once you take your eyes off of Jesus and what He has already done in Holy Sovereign Grace, all you're going to be doing is watching your own feet... and tripping over a whole bunch of stuff.
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