Can Salvation be lost?

[BNR32FAN]

You did not show they were in the Spirit, ( they were in the flesh) for the Spirit was not yet given until Christ was glorified..


John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

I did but you dodged my questions in post 413. So why don’t you prove your point and answer them?

We’re the 11 faithful apostles hostile towards God? Were they not able to subject themselves to the will of God? Were they not able to please God?

 

[prophecy_uk]

This is irrelevant to the discussion. These 11 faithful apostles were not of the flesh because of the words Jesus gave them. They were already instructed by God during His ministry.

The Apostles denied Christ, it is not faithful until they receive the faithful Spirit, then they became bold..


Matthew 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.


Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why are you such a disputer, you are proven wrong too easily, now be quiet and wise.

oh don’t run yet, we’re just getting started

 

[prophecy_uk]

They need the Spirit to know Gods will, as all do..


Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Apostles denied Christ, it is not faithful until they receive the faithful Spirit, then they became bold..

Peter denied Christ, he also repented before Pentecost.

 

[BNR32FAN]

They need the Spirit to know Gods will, as all do..


Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

They were already doing God’s will.

 

[prophecy_uk]

They were already doing God’s will.

Gods will is by the love of Christ, the Spirit of Christ given to us, your idea of doing Gods will is without them.

Neither is the disciples being afraid Gods love, so they had what according to you.



Gods love is perfected in us,,when Christ dies and gives us His Spirit and love ONLY THEN, WHEN GOD DWELLS IN US AFTER JESUS IS RISEN..


1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry, it is a simple way, you see them as abiding in Christ already, and Christ then would not need to die for them to abide in Him in Spirit, and Christ in them in Spirit, to be joined to the Lord as one Spirit, you deny the death and rising of Christ in your doctrine.

No I don’t, your denying what Jesus specifically stated. If they weren’t in Christ they wouldn’t be branches attached to the vine. The Holy Spirit is a guide that teaches us and enables us to do the will of God. They didn’t need the Holy Spirit at that time because they had Christ b

 

[BNR32FAN]

Gods will is by the love of Christ, the Spirit of Christ given to us, your idea of doing Gods will is without them.

You say this as if Christ were not right there with them. As if they were all alone with no one to guide them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Gods will is by the love of Christ, the Spirit of Christ given to us, your idea of doing Gods will is without them.

Neither is the disciples being afraid Gods love, so they had what according to you.



Gods love is perfected in us,,when Christ dies and gives us His Spirit and love ONLY THEN, WHEN GOD DWELLS IN US AFTER JESUS IS RISEN..


1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Your quoting verses pertaining to AFTER Christ’s ascension. Of course for those who don’t have Christ standing right there in front of them they need the Holy Spirit to guide them.

 

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No I don’t, your denying what Jesus specifically stated. If they weren’t in Christ they wouldn’t be branches attached to the vine. The Holy Spirit is a guide that teaches us and enables us to do the will of God. They didn’t need the Holy Spirit at that time because they had Christ b

The Holy Spirit is what made them abide in Him and He in them.

They needed the Holy Spirit, to stop fear of the Jews, to stop forsaking, to stop not knowing what spirit they are of...


Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

 

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You say this as if Christ were not right there with them. As if they were all alone with no one to guide them.

Yes we need the Spirit in us, to be one with the Spirit of Christ to be guided wholly.

 

[BNR32FAN]

They denied because they were afraid, boldness is the Spirit that casts out fear...


John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.


1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Jesus felt fear in Gethsemane when He asked The Father to take this cup of suffering from My lips.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Your quoting verses pertaining to AFTER Christ’s ascension. Of course for those who don’t have Christ standing right there in front of them they need the Holy Spirit to guide them.

All need Christs Spirit, to stop the wrong they were doing, like this...


Matthew 17:16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Holy Spirit is what made them abide in Him and He in them.

They needed the Holy Spirit, to stop fear of the Jews, to stop forsaking, to stop not knowing what spirit they are of...


Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

you still dodged my questions in post 413.

 

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Jesus felt fear in Gethsemane when He asked The Father to take this cup of suffering from My lips.

Jesus cast out fear, the disciples did not until the Spirit of boldness was in them...


Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[BNR32FAN]

All need Christs Spirit, to stop the wrong they were doing, like this...


Matthew 17:16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

That was a long time before the night in the upper room.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus cast out fear, the disciples did not until the Spirit of boldness was in them...


Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

He was sweating blood which is caused by severe stress or trauma.

 

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Then they transformed, by the Spirit which gives another they lacked, the mind of Christ( not forgetting without the Spirit they are NONE OF HIS..


Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

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He was sweating blood which is caused by severe stress or trauma.

Fear is cast out, Jesus cast it out, the disciples hid for fear of the Jews behind a closed door. The they transformed, by the Spirit to be bold.