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For me it starts with who wrote it. From what I understand the early church ascribes it to John the Apostle. However scholars over the years have concluded the the style of writing and usage of Greek, doesn't match 1 John.
Even Eusebius of Caesarea, writing in the early 4th century said that the style is not that of John the Evangelist.For me it starts with who wrote it. From what I understand the early church ascribes it to John the Apostle. However scholars over the years have concluded the the style of writing and usage of Greek, doesn't match 1 John.
The problem is that your method is to pull verses out of context (see post 148). So to make a fair argument, I’m referencing all of Romans and telling you in broad terms what is said. That way there can be no accusations towards me about context. I could do the same with Galatians. And since it’s God’s word, you aren’t disagreeing with me, but with Him.
For me it starts with who wrote it. From what I understand the early church ascribes it to John the Apostle. However scholars over the years have concluded the the style of writing and usage of Greek, doesn't match 1 John.
Some scholars - it is not a universal opinion. Also, if we consider that John, as a native Aramaic speaker, may have relied upon Koine Greek speaking interpreter-scribes, whose function was equivalent to the “Ghost Writer” of today, that can help.
Recent discussions (in other threads) are making me agree with this. I've always understood Revelation with a mostly Idealist interpretation. People nowadays are turning it into literal fortune telling of the future. It's like a different religion altogether that presents Jesus and the saints like blood-thirsty monsters and disregards the rest of the NT.
Even Eusebius of Caesarea, writing in the early 4th century said that the style is not that of John the Evangelist.
I believe that John's authorship comes from Iraeneus who was discipled by Polycarp, who was discipled by John himself who attested that he did write the books attributed to him.
And what would those arguments be. You have not provided any to show that we can turn away from God and live in a life of known unrepentant sin and not lose our salvation.I’m agreeing with Paul who makes a compelling argument in all of Romans that those who are saved are secure. That’s God’s word. Hopefully you won’t disagree that Romans is rightfully in the canon.
So you are disagreeing with God’s word. Okay.
CAN WE DEPART THE FAITH AND CONTINUE IN A LIFE OF UNREPENTANT SIN AND UNBELIEF? - NO!
Why is it that people here claim we can depart from God and live in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved and not be lost. This claim is the opposite of what the bible teaches as shown here, here and here. To be honest I do not even know why people are still discussing this topic when it is clearly against what the scriptures teach and why some are patting each other on the back supporting posts that are clearly not supported by the scriptures. This one is not even a close call in my view when compared to what scripture says. Anyhow, of course everyone is free to believe as they wish as we all must answer to God alone. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.
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My arguments are what Paul wrote in Romans. I’d hate to add my own words to scripture.And what would those arguments be. You have not provided any to show that we can turn away from God and live in a life of known unrepentant sin and not lose our salvation.
My arguments are what Paul wrote in Romans. I’d hate to add my own words to scripture.
My arguments are what Paul wrote in Romans. I’d hate to add my own words to scripture. you said “I am disagreeing with your words that are not Gods Word.” But now you want my words. You need to make up your mind.
While I do not agree with the Doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints, it is scripturally supportable, because one can effectively argue that such persons were not among the Elect and their belief was not genuine.
There is another issue, which is what the definition of known unrepentant sin is. Christians certainly are not damned if they fail to keep the Mosaic Law, because as Galatians makes clear, we are no longer under the Law.
Finally, why are you mentioning judgement day?
I am quite amused by this. You say that your arguments are what Paul writes in Romans without stating what Paul writes in Romans showing that we can depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved? Which means you have not provided any scripture that supports your view point. What is more amazing I think is those who are rating your posts and agreeing with you without you showing any scripture that proves these claims, while over 100 + scriptures (here, here and here) have been provided showing that if we choose to depart the faith to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin we will lose our salvation.
No, lets be honest. @Hammster said Romans 1 to Romans 11 or Galatians without showing any scripture in Romans 1 to Romans 11 that supports the claim that we can depart the faith and live a life in known unrepentant sin and still be saved, while over 100 + scriptures (here, here and here) have been provided showing that if we choose to depart the faith to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin we will lose our salvation. Show me where in Romans 1 to Romans 11 it says anywhere we can depart the faith and live in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved? There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that supports this view. If you believe I am wrong here correct me and provide the scriptures that say we can depart the faith and continue to live in known unrepentant sin and still be saved? - There is none.He did provide Scripture. Chapters 1-11 of Romans. They must be read entirely. I think Hammster’s views are most in alignment with the King James Study Bible, which is available on scribd.
Sorry not sure what your asking here.Why did you mention judgement day though?
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