Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[GodLovesCats]

Not always, sometimes zygotes are formed and the hormonal birth control causes changes in the lining of the uterus, and thus acts as an abortifacient.

The same pill that is supposed to prevent the formation of a zygote does this?

 

[David Collins]

The same pill that is supposed to prevent the formation of a zygote does this?

Correct, because it doesn't stop the formation of a zygote 100% of the time.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Correct, because it doesn't stop the formation of a zygote 100% of the time.

What is the name of it? I want to do some research on the efficacy of various contraception methods because added together, it obviously is not 99%.

 

[jayem]

Miscarriages are natural (although they don't happen everytime anyway), artificial birth control pills are not.

According to a recent report, 26% of pregnancies end by miscarriage. Most of these occur early in gestation, before the woman knows she's pregnant. But 10% of women with recognized pregnancies also miscarry. There are about 3.5+ million live births in the US annually. It's hard to know with certainty, but it's likely there'd be several hundred thousand more live births if miscarriage wasn't as common.

Miscarriage - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

This raises an interesting question. It's true that most miscarriages are due to natural physiologic factors. (Usually chromosomal abnormalities.) But isn't God sovereign over nature? And is it not an article of faith that God has a plan for everyone's life? The obvious question is why would God's plan allow so many of the unborn to die? It's very possible that embryonic deaths from miscarriage exceed those from induced abortion.

 

[YahuahSaves]

This raises an interesting question. It's true that most miscarriages are due to natural physiologic factors. (Usually chromosomal abnormalities.) But isn't God sovereign over nature? And is it not an article of faith that God has a plan for everyone's life? The obvious question is why would God's plan allow so many of the unborn to die? It's very possible that embryonic deaths from miscarriage exceed those from induced abortion.

We live in a fallen creation and human will (interference) is also a factor on this earth. Yes, God is sovereign, and we may never know the true extent of his will and why he allows certain things to happen until the scriptures are fulfilled (the new heaven and earth are established after the old earth passes away).

Where are the statistics on percentage of miscarriages vs. Abortion in the U.S.? It doesn't appear they are even separated, but the terms are used interchangeably.

"The terms miscarriage and abortion are used interchangeably. The term abortion refers to a termination of a pregnancy either natural or induced."

From National library of medicine

 

[Kylie]

Morally speaking, we are not allowed to kill, which includes abortions.

God told Joshua to kill everyone in Jericho.

 

[Lost Witness]

What is the name of it? I want to do some research on the efficacy of various contraception methods because added together, it obviously is not 99%.

these words could some day haunt you but,
Abortion's Murder.

 

[Lost Witness]

God told Joshua to kill everyone in Jericho.

Do you truly Grasp Who, GOD Almighty is?
He's the Absolute Sovereign of Creation,
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

 

[Lost Witness]

It's Gotta be done,
Abortions Murder,
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!"

 

[Kylie]

Do you truly Grasp Who, GOD Almighty is?
He's the Absolute Sovereign of Creation,
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

In my experience, the claim "God works in mysterious ways" just means it doesn't really make sense, but believe anyway.

That's not good enough for me.

 

[Desk trauma]

Where are the statistics on percentage of miscarriages vs. Abortion in the U.S.?

If very early miscarriages are included live births are outnumber by miscarriages in some estimates.

 

[NxNW]

According to a recent report, 26% of pregnancies end by miscarriage. (...) The obvious question is why would God's plan allow so many of the unborn to die? It's very possible that embryonic deaths from miscarriage exceed those from induced abortion.

It's more like 70%. The number of abortions is minuscule compared to the number of miscarriages. Live birth is the exception, not the rule. So if one was truly concerned about the unborn, they'd be donating massive amounts of money towards efforts to prevent miscarriages. The fact that such monies are not being donated, and efforts not being made, might cause one to suspect that the lives of the unborn are not as much of a priority as advertised.

 

[jayem]

It's more like 70%. The number of abortions is minuscule compared to the number of miscarriages. Live birth is the exception, not the rule. So if one was truly concerned about the unborn, they'd be donating massive amounts of money towards efforts to prevent miscarriages. The fact that such monies are not being donated, and efforts not being made, might cause one to suspect that the lives of the unborn are not as much of a priority as advertised.

You are correct. It’s always seemed to me that much of religious conservatives’ antipathy to abortion is driven by what I call the “Eve” mindset. Which is the misogynistic notion that women are inherently disobedient and cannot be trusted to make good decisions on their own.

 

[Desk trauma]

You are correct. It’s always seemed to me that much of religious conservatives’ antipathy to abortion is driven by what I call the “Eve” mindset. Which is the misogynistic notion that women are inherently disobedient and cannot be trusted to make good decisions on their own.

The conclusion I have come to is that the enforcement of conservative sexual ethics is the real goal of the pro-life movement or is at minimum co-equal with stopping abortion. I base this on their rejection of policies that would have prevented massive amounts of abortions, such as the provision of long term birth control in Colorado that reduced unwanted teen pregnancies by 50%, and the denial that the abortion rate has been going down for decades. At this point the movement is near pure sadomoralism.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The definitive answer is abortion opponents are completely unwilling to face the grim reality about girls and women needing abortions and support them. Anyone who truly cares about these people would have answered all of my "What is your plan?" questions. Instead all they do is dodge them. This thread will go nowhere until every abortion rights opponent tells me a detailed plan for how the federal and state governments should make sure every pregnant American citizen who is considering an elective abortion will get the help that she needs before and after childbirth. Until all of those problems are solved, the constitutional right to have an abortion will trump God's Word that abortion is murder in the minds of very desperate people who are stuck with unwanted pregnancies.

You completely ignore the fact that there are adoption centers and child protective services that ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT ALLOW ANY CHILD IN THE UNITED STATES TO GO WITHOUT PROPER CARE. I’ve stated this repeatedly and you keep on ignoring it. Furthermore hospitals BY LAW cannot turn away anyone giving child birth. It’s illegal for them to do so. These measures have been in place for almost an entire century now it’s nothing new.

 

[BNR32FAN]

They also ignored the fact that their own wording it extremely biased one way , i.e. "needing" to kill baby , is quite different from having a way to save safely both mother and child.

Moses was saved as a newborn by being floated in a reed basket /or some kind/, and amazingly was even rescued by ROYALTY, by the Creator's Own Choice,
and his mother was chosen to nurse him .... a miracle .. Saving Lives is The Creator's Joy and Plan.

And not only that but their plan kills 600,000 babies each year to save 6,000 people from having to take a risk of danger to their health. It’s not even certain that those 6,000 per year will die, but it’s absolutely certain that the 600,000 babies will.

 

[GodLovesCats]

You completely ignore the fact that there are adoption centers and child protective services that ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT ALLOW ANY CHILD IN THE UNITED STATES TO GO WITHOUT PROPER CARE. I’ve stated this repeatedly and you keep on ignoring it. Furthermore hospitals BY LAW cannot turn away anyone giving child birth. It’s illegal for them to do so. These measures have been in place for almost an entire century now it’s nothing new.

I am talking about the mother's mental and physical stress. She needs loving help as Jesus commanded us to provide throughout her pregnancy. Without it, she will choose abortion. You are just thinking about the child, not the mother, which confirms my point.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I make it my goal to treat all with respect and kindness. If I find, I can not. I opp out until I cool out.

A Question to ask Public School Teachers is why kill off fulture Students and chance not having them to teach. I only bring this up when one tells me they were let go because there was not enough students to teach. I also, give them a hug and pray with them.

 

[Desk trauma]

A Question to ask Public School Teachers is why kill off fulture Students and chance not having them to teach.

Are you imagining that school teachers moonlight at abortion clinics?

 

[Kylie]

What if it makes sense, that the Creator works in mysterious/unknown/ ways , and is simply explained in Scripture ?
Believe anyway ? No. Only believe. One Way. This is the work the Creator requires: belief.
The rest of the population stands already condemned, even if alive on earth and prospering, because of unbelief.

Then I would expect said Scripture to be testable in some way, yet, for the most part, it is not, and those few things in it that can be tested fail when actually put to the test.