Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[YahuahSaves]

Do you really think women are happy about it and think having an abortion is a victory?

Perhaps you should watch the first 20 seconds of this video to see what kinds of people are on the "pro-choice" side of the debate. This group in the video seem to be excited about their ability to kill the unborn. Like it or not, not everyone deserves your sympathy.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Perhaps you should watch the first 20 seconds of this video to see what kinds of people are on the "pro-choice" side of the debate. This group in the video seem to be excited about their ability to kill the unborn. Like it or not, not everyone deserves your sympathy.

Terrible idea. Any idiot can post anything on YouTube, so I always assume any attempt to use sit for pushing an agenda is totally untrue.

If you ever read the article I posted about a rape victim and her severely disabled daughter, you can see very clearly why abortion is not always evil.

 

[Lost Witness]

you can see very clearly why abortion is not always evil.

Abortion is Murder.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Is this standard for everyone? No exceptions?

It is actually. We're to hate the sin, not the sinner (although I understand the temptation).

 

[YahuahSaves]

Do you believe stigma and shaming to be things Christians shouldn't engage in?

Stigma and shaming is not meant to be a Christian practice...don't forget about the woman caught in adultery. We are to hate the sin, not the sinner.

John 8:7

7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”

 

[YahuahSaves]

After the baby is born, no new mom wants to kill it. Women only want to kill them before birth.

Where have you been all your life? Have you had your head in the sand? Plenty of mothers throughout history have murdered their autonomous children and wanted to.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

First you are wrong about calling it a baby. You are still doing that.

My conscience informed by Christian sensibilities demands I call it a baby. Your conscience tells you otherwise. I am not wrong for calling the baby inside the womb, a baby.

Healthy women with healthy embryos or fetuses go to abortion clinics, not gynecology/obstetrics offices.

Which you support with all the conviction you possess. Yes, we know you support abortion.

What I believe as a Christian is abortion opponents have absolutely no justification for refusing to kindly provide the help pregnant girls and women need (or supporting such actions if they can't) regardless of why an unwanted human life is growing inside her.

By providing help you mean we have to facilitate an abortion if a woman requires it. Right? This is the only acceptable form of help, besides giving her state benefits and even then she could still decide to get the abortion with those benefits.

Jesus said, "Do to others what you would have them do to you." Not "other Christians" or "other righteous people." Just "others" - which can only mean every person you meet. Do you want to live in physical, mental, and social misery because other people had treated you like crap?, a direct violation of what Jesus told us to do? My Christian position is stop pretending girls and women are unworthy of kindness and assistance from anyone who can provide it, which would go a long way toward reducing the number of abortions.

I want to live in a society informed by Christian values, which reject abortion. You want to live in a society which accepts and supports abortion and the industry. We have two fundamentally different visions of society. Your secular humanist position on abortion, vs my Christian one.

 

[Kylie]

Birth control has another use than avoiding pregnancy?
Odd pretty sure it's called "BIRTH" control for a reason.

Birth control pills can let women plan their period, so they know exactly when it's coming. They can be used to let women decide exactly when they will get it (helpful for if you want to avoid sitting a major exam while suffering from period pain) and they can reduce the number of days it lasts for, or even stop it altogether. It can also reduce the amount of bleeding (women who have heavy periods can suffer from iron-deficiency anemia, and it can help reduce cramping.

For women who suffer from PMS or PMDD, the pill can ease symptoms like mood swings, breast tenderness, weight gain, bloating and acne by evening out hormone levels. Some women also get menstrual related migraines, which the pill can help control. They can also help stop the pain of endometriosis (any women here want to talk about how bad that pain can be?).

The pill can also reduce the severity of Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, and it can drastically reduce the chances of getting ovarian cancer and endometrial cancer.

Other Benefits of Birth Control

You know the pill can help you prevent pregnancy, but there are many other benefits to taking birth control pills.

www.webmd.com

 

[Kylie]

That Includes fetuses.

The Bible also talks about the breath of life. Pretty sure breathing doesn't start until AFTER the birth.

 

[Lost Witness]

The Bible also talks about the breath of life. Pretty sure breathing doesn't start until AFTER the birth.

that's secular understanding.

 

[YahuahSaves]

errible idea. Any idiot can post anything on YouTube, so I always assume any attempt to use sit for pushing an agenda is totally untrue.

Wow, for someone who's against name-calling, you sure aren't taking your own advice.

The first 20 seconds is a real life video taken at a pro-choice rally. If you don't want to watch it, then you aren't really interested in advocating for the truth (which is Gods truth, the only truth that can be called such).

 

[Kylie]

that's secular understanding.

How about you respond to my other post to you then?

 

[Lost Witness]

(which is Gods truth, the only truth that can be called such).

Absolute Fact

 

[Lost Witness]

How about you respond to my other post to you then?

I have "tags" turned off I only respond at my own leisure,
Some things aren't worth responding to as it's only a distraction from time better invested

 

[YahuahSaves]

Because they all know God is love.

I'm sorry. Since no one else said it, I'm going to. I'm tired of people painting this picture of a fluffy-love God who is just going to embrace people and their sin, without them first humbling themselves and coming to repentance, so they may be washed of their sin and made a new creation in Christ.

Yes, God is love and is loving - that is why he is "long-suffering and slow to anger". But to deny his other characteristics is not biblical. Do you want to be one of the blind leading the blind, as a professing Christian? God is also Holy and Just. Believing anything short of the true nature of God is making up your own God to suit yourself, which is idolatry.

We as Christians are to "love our enemies", no where in scripture does it say to love the sin that corrupts them. You kept quoting the golden rule of "do unto others", but I'm going to address the 2nd part of that scripture, which is the narrow gate. (Jesus is the way, the truth and the life).

Matthew 7:12-14
The Golden Rule

12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Yet they just forgot to write that part down in the constitution.

Regardless, Christian principles still formed the foundations for law of western countries.

Origins of Constitutional Law

While the Constitution does not explicitly refer to God, the concepts of law which it contains stem from the cultural assumptions of basic biblical truths widely held by the people of that time regardless of their actual piety towards God. In other words, it is an inarguable fact that not all Americans of that era actually held to the Christian faith, yet they held to the commonly accepted morals, ethics and standards of behavior derived from English Common Law, which drew from biblical law given to the Hebrews by God.

Excerpt from: How did the bible influence the U.S. constitution?

 

[David Collins]

That would happen even without birth control.

Miscarriage - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

Miscarriages are natural (although they don't happen everytime anyway), artificial birth control pills are not.

 

[Kylie]

Miscarriages are natural (although they don't happen everytime anyway), artificial birth control pills are not.

So? Why should "Natural" equal "right"? Why should "Not natural" equal "wrong"?

And what if there was something natural that could cause an abortion?

I mean, you can even use plain old parsley as an abortifacient, and it has been used as such for hundreds of years.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232045287_Herbal_Infusions_Used_for_Induced_Abortion

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

First you are wrong about calling it a baby. You are still doing that.

Second, if the decision is made in her obstetrician's office, something is medically wrong. Healthy women with healthy embryos or fetuses go to abortion clinics, not gynecology/obstetrics offices.

What I believe as a Christian is abortion opponents have absolutely no justification for refusing to kindly provide the help pregnant girls and women need (or supporting such actions if they can't) regardless of why an unwanted human life is growing inside her.

Jesus said, "Do to others what you would have them do to you." Not "other Christians" or "other righteous people." Just "others" - which can only mean every person you meet. Do you want to live in physical, mental, and social misery because other people had treated you like crap?, a direct violation of what Jesus told us to do? My Christian position is stop pretending girls and women are unworthy of kindness and assistance from anyone who can provide it, which would go a long way toward reducing the number of abortions.

Still no explanation of James 3:9?

It would be greatly appreciated if you dropped your double standards. "Do to others what you would have them do to you". Yet here you are supporting to kill innocent humans. You seem to believe that women are worth more than the unborn child. But the Bible vehemently disagrees with you. In God's view the unborn child is just as valuable as the mother.

 

[Desk trauma]

Regardless, Christian principles still formed the foundations for law of western countries.

Origins of Constitutional Law

While the Constitution does not explicitly refer to God, the concepts of law which it contains stem from the cultural assumptions of basic biblical truths widely held by the people of that time regardless of their actual piety towards God. In other words, it is an inarguable fact that not all Americans of that era actually held to the Christian faith, yet they held to the commonly accepted morals, ethics and standards of behavior derived from English Common Law, which drew from biblical law given to the Hebrews by God.

Excerpt from: How did the bible influence the U.S. constitution?

Based on the ten commandments yet ensures that you are protected in violating them, yeah, sure.