Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

It's against the rules of this site to suggest that a person is not a Christian if they have said they are a Christian.

I didn't say they are not a Christian. I said I understand why people question it. That people in fact question it is something this person has said themselves in this thread. This explains, why. Not because they are pro-choice, but because they deny fundamental Biblical truths.

 

[GodLovesCats]

For real? This is your position?

No, that is a fact. The definition of baby has always been a BORN human being less than one year old.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Only Adam and Eve were made in the image of God? You said before that people questioned whether you are actually a Christian because of this topic. This would explain why. This is heresy.

Except for Jesus, only Adam and Eve were made biologically perfect.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

No, that is a fact. The definition of baby has always been a BORN human being less than one year old.

That might be a fact to you or someone who's pro abortion, but it isn't to me. What is the Christian basis for this belief?

 

[David Collins]

Except for Jesus, only Adam and Eve were made biologically perfect.

It's asking if humans were made in the image of God. Don't sidestep it.

 

[GodLovesCats]

That might me a fact to you or someone who's pro abortion, but it isn't to me. What is the Christian basis for this belief?

A fact is true information for everyone, not opinionated in any way. You want to make facts opinions, which is obviously impossible.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

A fact is true information for everyone, not opinionated in any way. You want to make facts opinions, which is obviously impossible.

If you think that you can define yourself into victory you aren't approaching this conversation in the sort of good faith you wanted in your original post. Is there a Christian basis for thinking that a baby ten minutes before birth can be aborted and a baby ten minutes before birth is a sacred human being worthy of some protections in society?

 

[GodLovesCats]

It's asking if humans were made in the image of God. Don't sidestep it.

The first two humans were, yes. But if every human is made in the image of God, all of us would be perfect because Jesus is perfect.

 

[GodLovesCats]

If you think that you can define yourself into victory you aren't approaching this conversation in the sort of good faith you wanted in your original post. Is there a Christian basis for thinking that a baby ten minutes before birth can be aborted and a baby ten minutes before birth is a sacred human being worthy of some protections in society?

There is no such thing as an unborn baby.

Social protections are based on whether a human being is born or not. That is a fact, not my opinion.

At no time did I ever remotely suggest any fetus in the woman's birth canal should be aborted. In fact, I have stated many times that should never happen.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

Except for Jesus, only Adam and Eve were made biologically perfect.

Being made in God's image has nothing to do with being perfect. How do you explain James 3:9? It's clearly not talking about Adam, Eve and Jesus.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

There is no such thing as an unborn baby.

Social protections are based on whether a human being is born or not. That is a fact, not my opinion.

At no time did I ever remotely suggest any fetus in the woman's birth canal should be aborted. In fact, I have stated many times that should never happen.

What if the baby ten minutes before birth isn't in the birth canal but still in the womb? It can be aborted then without any guilt right?

 

[GodLovesCats]

What if the baby ten minutes before birth isn't in the birth canal but still in the womb? It can be aborted then without any guilt right?

There is no such thing as an unborn baby. How many times do I need to say that?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

There is no such thing as an unborn baby. How many times do I need to say that?

Then what would be wrong with aborting it ten minutes before birth?

 

[YahuahSaves]

I never want to debate abortion with people who disagree with me on the issue because it just goes around in circles, with "pro-lifers" wrongly accusing pro-choicers of murdering babies (which is obviously a lie) and pro-choicers calling pro-lifers misogynists who only care about controlling girls and women. In rape and incest cases, the latter is true, but most claims I read from both sides of the issue are incorrect unless people are just talking about Psalms 139, Job 10, and child development. I want to know if there is any way people can just agree to disagree on when abortion is only for convenience, when fetuses in the womb are viable, and how women should get rid of unwanted babies they can't take care of. There is no reason to doubt someone is a Christian just because he or she disagrees on this one issue, whatever the opinion differences are. I want to be able to trade views about a Christian issue without a fear that someone will deny my faith in God. I know everyone who reads God's Word would feel the same way, whether the issue is abortion or something else.

So instead of debating whether abortion is right or wrong and on what basis, I want to see if people are able to have a friendly discussion on the topic that does not devolve into crap such as, "You are not a Christian," or stupid name-calling.

I agree that no one should be name-calling and the subject of abortion is a difficult one to address. The way I personally see it, is many will argue abortion is OK and the woman has a right to choose, but no one likes it when they're held accountable. Often people will argue rape as a reason, but the percentage of pregnancy that results from rape is actually quite small. The vast majority of abortions stem from unwanted pregnancy that results from consensual, unprotected sex. So why are people not held accountable for the choice to skip protection? The truth is, only God has the right to give life and to take it away. No one else has that "right". A fetus in the womb is a soul created by God for his purposes. At the end, God judges us all by everything we do and don't do on this earth. Taking a life will be one of them, whether a fetus in the womb or a fully grown human being, the "life" taken is the same.

Thankfully, we have Christ, who died for the sins of the world, including every woman who has ever aborted a baby. Once we accept his sacrifice for our sins on the cross, and put our hope and trust in only him, we are forgiven and washed clean of those sins, for which we no longer have to face his judgement. There are many who are unable or unwilling to recognise the sovereignty and deity of God almighty, and seem to think he's all about loving us, whether or not we truly repent and humble ourselves and submit to his will or not.

 

[Lost Witness]

A fact is true information for everyone, not opinionated in any way. You want to make facts opinions, which is obviously impossible.

what's an Opinion is these ideas on what is a 'life'
these embryos have souls, they are alive,
Just Like You

 

[Lost Witness]

There is no such thing as an unborn baby. How many times do I need to say that?

That's a lie.

 

[Lost Witness]

No, that is a fact. The definition of baby has always been a BORN human being less than one year old.

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.​

• noun A very young child; an infant.
• noun An unborn child; a fetus.
• noun The youngest member of a family or group.
• noun A very young animal.
• noun An adult or young person who behaves in an infantile way.
• noun A lover or sweetheart.
• noun Sweetheart; dear. Used as a term of endearment.
• noun Slang An object of personal concern or interest.
• adjective Of or having to do with a baby.
• adjective Infantile or childish.
• adjective Small in comparison with others of the same kind.
• transitive verb To pamper like a baby; coddle. synonym: pamper.

from The Century Dictionary.​

• noun An infant or young child of either sex; a babe.
• noun A doll.
• noun [Cf. E. pupil, ⟨ L. pupilla, a girl, the pupil of the eye.] The minute reflection which a person sees of himself in the pupil of another's eye.
• noun One who is like a baby; a childish person.
• noun To attempt to excuse excessive or feigned ignorance or stupidity on the ground of professed inexperience. [Colloquial in both uses.]
• Babyish; infantine; pertaining to an infant.
• Small, or comparatively small: as, a baby engine.
• To treat like a young child.

from the GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English.​

• transitive verb To treat like a young child; to keep dependent; to humor; to fondle.
• noun An infant or young child of either sex; a babe.
• noun A small image of an infant; a doll.
• noun the minute reflection which one sees of one's self in the eyes of another.
• adjective Pertaining to, or resembling, an infant; young or little.

from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License.​

• noun A very young human, particularly from birth to a couple of years old or until walking is fully mastered.
• noun Any very young animal, especially a vertebrate; many species have specific names for their babies, such as kittens for the babies of cats, puppies for the babies of dogs, and chicks for the babies of birds. See Category:Baby animals for more.
• noun A person who is immature or infantile.
• noun A term of endearment for a girlfriend or boyfriend or spouse.
• noun informal A form of address to a man or a woman considered to be attractive.
• noun A pet project or responsibility.
• noun The lastborn of a family; a benjamin.
• noun An affectionate term for anything.
• adjective Of a child: very young; of the age when he or she would be termed a baby or infant.
• adjective Of an animal: young.
• adjective Intended for babies.
• adjective etc. Picked when small and immature (as in baby corn, baby potatoes).
• verb To coddle.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Everyone knows abortion is not murdering babies.

If you want to get mad at people for supporting infanticide, talk to those who actually do it. Nobody wants doctors to kill babies.

So what's your take on late term abortion? Do you know there is no limit any more? A doctor can remove a fetus and if the abortion didn't kill it, they leave it on the operating table to die. This stuff is for real and happens across the U.S. ... perhaps more people need to open their eyes to the truth of what's really going on in the world right now.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Here is something to think about: Many women who do use contraception often get pregnant anyway. No contraception method is perfect except abstinence. Sexual intercourse is a completely natural act God made for married men and women. Do you think people only do it if they plan to raise children? Or did God make adults sexually active for other reasons, such as bonding in their intimate relationships? And do you know any married women who are celibate? Until a flawless contraception exists, there will be unwanted human beings because celibacy is not realistic or what God intended.

And what is the percentage of married women who abort pregnancies within the confines of marriage with their husband as compared to unmarried women who abort after having consensual, casual sex with strangers? You are talking about God creating marriage, which includes procreation, but you deny he has the right over who lives and who dies before us? Makes no sense.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Then what would be wrong with aborting it ten minutes before birth?

How can you say "before birth" is an aborted fetus is not born?

To answer your question, I have always opposed aborting viable fetuses except to save the mother's life.