Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[Confused-by-christianity]

Don't do that, here's a summery.

You could summarise quicker ??

 

[Desk trauma]

You could summarise quicker ??

I could but I am not going to do so. It's not long.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

I could but I am not going to do so. It's not long.

I’m not bothered enough to read it haha

Maybe tomorrow - take care

But that was discussion without attacking -

 

[MehGuy]

I think I am civil with pro-life people. My father is one (even attends a few protests), and I know he isn't pro-life just because he wants to control women. He's just a Christian who worries that its a murder of an unborn baby.

Honestly, I'd feel more comfortable marching with pro-life people despite not being one myself. I do highly suspect if magically men suddenly became the ones burdened with pregnancy a lot on the left would suddenly change their tune. "Abortion is toxic masculinity" and other obnoxious headlines would fill up my news feed.

I'd say more, but I don't really dare to get too deep into the abortion topic on this site. I'm mostly indifferent about the subject, despite being on a side.

 

[David Collins]

"pro-lifers" wrongly accusing pro-choicers of murdering babies (which is obviously a lie)

not obviously. Many pro-choicers have participated in abortions before, and even if they didn't, they are enabling baby murder.

and pro-choicers calling pro-lifers misogynists who only care about controlling girls and women. In rape and incest cases, the latter is true,

nope, in rape and incest cases, the pro-lifers don't want to punish the baby for a parent's mistake. It's called pro-life for a reason.

So instead of debating whether abortion is right or wrong and on what basis, I want to see if people are able to have a friendly discussion on the topic that does not devolve into crap such as, "You are not a Christian," or stupid name-calling.

Don't be a snowflake. You are not immune to criticism for pushing anti-Christian views.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Many pro-choicers have participated in abortions before, and even if they didn't, they are enabling baby murder.

Again, you are ignoring the obvious fact that abortion is not baby murder.

And you can't tell me I am pushing anti-Christian views when I base my opinions on the BIBLE.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

And you can't tell me I am pushing anti-Christian views when I base my opinions on the BIBLE.

Is the baby in the womb created in the image of God? Yes or no.

 

[David Collins]

Again, you are ignoring the obvious fact that abortion is not baby murder.

And you can't tell me I am pushing anti-Christian views when I base my opinions on the BIBLE.

Nope, abortion is baby murder. See Exodus 21:22-25

 

[jayem]

Is the baby in the womb created in the image of God? Yes or no.

Your question wasn’t addressed to me. But my answer is no. A human fetus is created by its parents in the the image of an unborn Homo sapiens.

 

[jayem]

Nope, abortion is baby murder. See Exodus 21:22-25

In our current legal climate, that’s not true in all states, nor in all stages of pregnancy, nor in all situations.

And I’m sure you know that American law is based on the Constitution. Not on the book of Exodus.

 

[Desk trauma]

In our current legal climate, that’s not true in all states, nor in all stages of pregnancy, nor in all situations.

As far as I can tell it's not true in any states, even those with near total bans, as the abortion bans still do not class the act as homicide.

However the race to decree 770 has only just begun so we may yet see that become the case. My money is still on Idaho being the first to make it a capital crime.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Is the baby in the womb created in the image of God? Yes or no.

There is no such thing as a baby in the womb. It becomes a baby at birth.

Because most zygotes, blastocysts, and embryos (and even some fetuses) are naturally miscarried, we can only say Adam and Eve were made in the image of God.

 

[David Collins]

In our current legal climate, that’s not true in all states, nor in all stages of pregnancy, nor in all situations.

And I’m sure you know that American law is based on the Constitution. Not on the book of Exodus.

I don't care about secular America's laws, I care about God's laws.

Greed, Adultery, Idolatry, and some other things likewise lead to destruction,
but can "safely " , albeit temporarily, be done without any fear at all of penalty nor justice.
The world system/ society is described directly as death dealing (pernicious), not life-affirming nor helpful.
So finding agreement will not happen generally anywhere on earth , in person nor online. Eh?

What are you even getting at?

 

[jayem]

As far as I can tell it's not true in any states, even those with near total bans, as the abortion bans still do not class the act as homicide.

However the race to decree 770 has only just begun so we may yet see that become the case. My money is still on Idaho being the first to make it a capital crime.

I live in Missouri. As soon as the Dobbs decision was released, the state’s “trigger law’ went into effect. The penalty for performing an elective abortion is a fine of up to $10,000 and up to 15 years in prison. Which is the same as the penalty for involuntary manslaughter. The only exception is a maternal medical emergency. For which the burden of proof falls on the abortion provider.

But I gotta hand it to Idaho if a death penalty is enacted. The state would definitely win the race to the bottom.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

There is no such thing as a baby in the womb. It becomes a baby at birth.

For real? This is your position?

 

[Desk trauma]

That may be a good race to win.

It really isn’t.

 

[Desk trauma]

I believe totally that the spiritual, eternal, life and results, reality in the unseen, is far far far more urgent and more important
than any earthly temporary thoughts or methods or ways.

Does that lead you to conclude that how things worked out under decree 770 was a good outcome?

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

There is no such thing as a baby in the womb. It becomes a baby at birth.

Because most zygotes, blastocysts, and embryos (and even some fetuses) are naturally miscarried, we can only say Adam and Eve were made in the image of God.

Only Adam and Eve were made in the image of God?? You said before that people questioned whether you are actually a Christian because of this topic. This would explain, why. This is heresy.

 

[David Collins]

The Creator's Laws, Instructions, or Words, are Eternal and Honored by all who Honor Him.

You mentioned one way people dis-honor Him, and instead of agreeing they argue to defend sin.
I mentioned a few other ways people dis-honor Him, and likewise they argue to protect their sin.
It is the way of man to do so.

Correct, it is common for people to defend their sin.

 

[Kylie]

Only Adam and Eve were made in the image of God?? Now I understand why people question whether you are actually a Christian. This is heresy.

It's against the rules of this site to suggest that a person is not a Christian if they have said they are a Christian.