Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[GodLovesCats]

You're avoiding my question, again. Should we be kind to such women who are proud of their abortion?

Yes, because Jesus told us to "love our enemies."

 

[GodLovesCats]

I'm glad you find joy in someone losing their job. I do not. Good for that judge for sticking to their guns despite losing their job.

Where did you get that idea from?

 

[Desk trauma]

There’s a penalty for that and it’s the most severe penalty anyone will ever pay if they don’t repent before it’s too late!!

When in doubt, hell threats.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Yes, because Jesus told us to "love our enemies."

Is this standard for everyone? No exceptions?

 

[GodLovesCats]

What about the physical distress that abortions put on the baby? There are over 600,000 abortions per year in the US and less than 1% of them result from rape victims and medical complications. So your idea kills 99 innocent babies so that 1 innocent person isn’t put in danger or inconvenienced.

There is no such thing as an unborn baby. I already explained before the word "baby" requires birth. In addition, no zygote, blastocyst, or embryo can feel pain. Suffering starts sometime during the fetal stage. Abortions are rare and for medical reasons after 12 weeks.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Bodily autonomy for all but the child.

There is no child involved in an abortion.

 

[ralliann]

There is no child involved in an abortion.

So, dehumanize the child conceived. A parasite is it?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Is this standard for everyone? No exceptions?

If there are any exceptions, I would be happy to see them.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

If there are any exceptions, I would be happy to see them.

So there are exceptions to this rule that one's enemies can only be regarded with kindness and understanding?

Would you treat Christian Nationalists the same way you treat women who are proud of their abortions?

 

[GodLovesCats]

So, dehumanize the child conceived. A parasite is it?

I never dehumanized the human inside her.

It is called a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus before becoming a baby at birth. Then, after fully exiting the birth canal, it is a child, baby, infant, and person.

Did you ignore all the posts I have written already to explain this, including one from earlier today about hating the word "parasite" for a human being inside the mother's womb?

 

[GodLovesCats]

So there are exceptions to this rule that one's enemies can only be regarded with kindness and understanding?

Would you treat Christian Nationalists the same way you treat women who are proud of their abortions?

I asked you to show me exceptions if any exist.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I asked you to show me exceptions if any exist.

I gave you one, Christian Nationalists. I assume you would not have the same kindness and level of understanding for them. Am I wrong? Do you demand that Christians treat them with the utmost respect and understanding?

 

[GodLovesCats]

I gave you one, Christian Nationalists. I assume you would not have the same kindness and level of understanding for them. Am I wrong? Do you demand that Christians treat them with the utmost respect and understanding?

What I want to see is Scripture where Jesus clearly identified people we must treat terribly, doing the exact opposite of the Golden Rule.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What I want is Scripture where Jesus clearly identified people we should treat terribly, doing the opposite of the Golden Rule.

I didn't say we should treat people terribly. You're the one advocating absolute respect and understanding to one's enemies, which goes beyond the command to love one's enemies.

I am curious how far you embrace this standard. Because I'll confess, I don't believe you try to respect or understand your enemies in an absolute way. Nor do I think you have this standard for everyone.

Do you believe stigma and shaming to be things Christians shouldn't engage in?

 

[Kylie]

We know very well that a fetus is a distinct human being with its own, unique DNA.

So unique DNA is the criteria you think we should use?

 

[GodLovesCats]

I didn't say we should treat people terribly. You're the one advocating absolute respect and understanding to one's enemies, which goes beyond the command to love one's enemies.

I am curious how far you embrace this standard. Because I'll confess, I don't believe you try to respect or understand your enemies in an absolute way. Nor do I think you have this standard for everyone.

Do you believe stigma and shaming to be things Christians shouldn't engage in?

I believe stigma and shaming are acceptable if you know the person deserves it (such as every Qanon conspiracy theorist who loves Donald Trump). But on this topic, it is extremely unlikely you will ever know if the woman had an abortion for totally unjustifiable reasons

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I believe stigma and shaming are acceptable if you know the person deserves it (such as every Qanon conspiracy theorist who loves Donald Trump). But on this topic, it is extremely unlikely you will ever know if the woman had an abortion for totally unjustifiable reasons

But it would be wrong to shame and stigmatize a woman who was proud of her abortion right?

 

[Kylie]

I believe stigma and shaming are acceptable if you know the person deserves it (such as every Qanon conspiracy theorist who loves Donald Trump). But on this topic, it is extremely unlikely you will ever know if the woman had an abortion for totally unjustifiable reasons

But that's the thing: who gets to decide who deserves it and who doesn't?

What if I believe person X deserves the shame and stigma for something they did, but you do not?

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

The life of a human should not rest in the balance of popular opinion. Just because these people want to conveniently deny that an unborn baby is not a human doesn’t make it a fact. If any doctor were asked what is this growing inside this woman he would say it’s an unborn baby and if he was asked what kind of baby he would say it’s a human baby. It’s not a giraffe baby, it’s not a walrus, baby it’s not a hippopotamus baby, it’s a human baby and it is alive. It’s the exact opposite of dead. These people just want to play word games and try to justify their sinful preferences so that they’re not inconvenienced by God’s commandments. There’s a penalty for that and it’s the most severe penalty anyone will ever pay if they don’t repent before it’s too late!! The word Christian means A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST.

I agree. And anyone who doesn't feel sick seeing that picture is part of the problem.

 

[GodLovesCats]

But it would be wrong to shame and stigmatize a woman who was proud of her abortion right?

How many times do I have to tell you it is impossible for of any of us to know who is proud of an unjustified abortion?

You have to know she did it to shame her. Only people who personally know her would be aware of that fact.