Can marriage ever be a sin if both are Christian

[Mark Quayle]

I believe your restriction of "no living spouses or ex-spouses" requires further clarification. Certainly the 'living spouse' scenario is correct as poligamy is not allowed, even in secular law. It would make the perpetrator an adulterer if they have abandoned their spouse in order to have a new relationship, i.e. whilst they're still legally married to their original spouse (even if not living with them). However the ex-spouse scenario is not so clear cut and it depends if the preceding divorce was 'Biblically Valid' or not. If the preceding divorce was 'Biblically Valid', then there are no restricions on a following new relatiionship should one occur. However, if the preceding divorce was 'Biblically Invalid' then any following relationship cannot be other than adulterous. This is a complex situation that cannot be adequately covered in a simple post such as this, but that is a basic overview of my understanding. The VALIDITY of any preceding divorce is paramount in understanding this sad subject.

"But I call you to peace."

 

[Diamond72]

I agree but I am talking about those who did no wrong to remarry as they did not do the wrong.

I waited 17 years before God would allow me to remarry.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Why ? what was the reason you split ? did you do wrong or were you wronged against ? I think those who are wronged can remarry but I am not sure so is best not to do incase unless person also remarries someone else but was wrong from then. God forgives but person who did wrong is not supposed to remarry it can lead to punishment but I suppose perhaps God might give another chance If other marries again but I don’t know so maybe should not only if God shows can anyway why can’t people be single they have children already I can’t know if it is ok if God shows it is ok maybe can

 

[mikeforjesus]

I have tried many dating apps but I find people are stuck up having many hobbies that are worldly and focused only on those who are very worldly to not even give a chance for everyone I talked to does not reply back until sometimes I say something that makes them ashamed then they reply back to pretend they would have given me a chance and not ignore me.

Many even serve God to act generous but they do not feel bad for how others are treated not to want anyone to do good to anyone.

They want people to be punished to pay for some reason either for their sins or thinking themselves righteous to despise them to consider them self righteous to believe in that god and if they don’t repent to really love others from their hearts it shows who they don’t believe in not Jesus but the beast and they will be damned.

They don’t love the same God as I do I don’t consider them representing the same God to love the same Father as I do to be of the same family they believe in another god and they call themselves born again but if they really were they would love others John says this is how we know we are born again when we love the children of God that if they were of the truth even if they had their own beliefs they would still love others to want to do good to others no matter their beliefs not to force it.

For fruit of true Christian is not to despise other people of other beliefs and not to ignore other believers who do not harm you to force their beliefs on you or anyone.

Some pretend interest just incase you are successful with others and then leave to show they don’t respect to distract you and make you seem like I am not serious towards others if I give others attention for I knew they would so would not give attention and a few did that when I did and deleted their account.

Some even want to use the excuse that God does not want others to do good to me because He wants to use my suffering for the sake of preaching the gospel which I think is wrong for I do not find it helps if I did find it helps I would. They say let no one have selfish ambition and look out for only his own interests as if because they are jealous that I was not from a poor family and did not have to work they want me to suffer to try to make me have nothing to make me become less fruitful to be above me but God will be disappointed for them for God gave such things for some that they may multiply but they want to stop it. Paul meant that because some were focused on seeking to prosper only for themselves and not help others prosper too.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

I have tried many dating apps but I find people are stuck up having many hobbies that are worldly and focused only on those who are very worldly to not even give a chance for everyone I talked to does not reply back until sometimes I say something that makes them ashamed then they reply back to pretend they would have given me a chance and not ignore me.

Many even serve God to act generous but they do not feel bad for how others are treated not to want anyone to do good to anyone.

They want people to be punished to pay for some reason either for their sins or thinking themselves righteous to despise them to consider them self righteous to believe in that God and if they don’t repent to really love others from their hearts it shows who they don’t believe in not Jesus but the beast and they will be damned.

They don’t love the same God as I do and they call themselves born again but if they really were they would love others John says this is how we know we are born again when we love the children of God that if they were of the truth even if they had their own beliefs they would still love others to want to do good to others no matter their beliefs not to force it.

Is still fruit to really not despise people of other beliefs.

Some pretend interest just incase you are successful with others and then leave to show they don’t respect to distract you and make you seem like I am not serious towards others if I give others attention.

this is difficult. I spent a lot of time on Christian Mingle, other secular dating apps. Many women were already divorced or had kids and this was when i was 28. Honestly i met my wife at work but i wasn't strictly looking for a very strict Christian rather someone who believed in Jesus and was a genuine person as many people at church didn't seem genuine. I am happy i married who i did, but i also acknowledge i am someone who may be more serious about biblical knowledge. i find myself teaching my wife about what the bible says, which is fine but it is also good to look for someone as passionate as you. i say pray about it you never know when you'll find someone.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Thankyou for sharing your experience to help me and your support.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

Thankyou for sharing your experience to help me and your support.

of course, i am always willing to talk you are more than welcome to message me if you want to talk or just encourage one another

 

[mikeforjesus]

Thankyou dear brother

 

[Diamond72]

did you do wrong or were you wronged against ?

I do not believe anyone is innocent. I have known a lot of divorced people. There are sins of commission and sins of omission. I did neglect her. She was raised as a foster child and I did not know anything about how difficult abandonment is for them. I learned a lot after she was gone and it was to late to do anything about it. I am more qualified to help people with issues like that now. Her son felt as if she had abandoned him. That is usually the way things like that work out. Abused people sometimes end up being abusers.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Ok I agree you would be guilty if she left without telling you to change your ways and you refused to do what you can I am not sure if that is grounds for divorce it is like divorcing spouse and the innocent person may not be cheating if they left because person essentially divorced spouse for not caring at all for jesus said only if one divorces one spouse and marries another causes one to commit adultery but that also makes it seem that marriage is still valid you can not divorce without cause if there was no adultery marriage is still valid you can separate. Even adultery I am not sure can if person does not remarry. Person should seek to remain unmarried for them to repent. If you sought to reconcile and she refused she is the one who broke marriage. Unless she goes to marry another to commit adultery one is still obligated as marriage is valid. But God forgives if it was done too late but to know and do bad risks judgement.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided to be content to remain single as long as I am saved I am happy. I should focus on serving Christ. I don't want to be in a relationship anyway as many are evil and can not know to find good one to not really respect those who seek to be devoted to christ and those who are will still be conditioned by parents and society to be grumblers and complainers wanting more than they need and blaming the other when they can work for what they need for they want more though they neglect the poor people all are responsible for for them to have what they need saying they can help themselves to provide for what they need. But all are responsible to help everyone get what they need but they want to be selfish.

 

[Diamond72]

I am not sure if that is grounds for divorce

I was living in Utah and the laws are pretty strict there. She told me a story about how she met a rich guy that had a private airplane. They go to Utah to ski. She said she went back to California with him on his airplane and then he had his pilot fly her back to Utah. That was the story I told the judge when he asked me and that was what he granted the divorce on. I asked her if she was ever going to see him again and she said no.
The real reason for the divorce was she wanted me to raise our son. So I had her put that in writing. She said that was the hardest decision she ever made but she felt he would be better off with me and she was not able to keep him. The lawyer told me I had to divorce her if I wanted to establish legal custody.
She was abandoned when she was 7 years old. So it should be no surprise that she would grow up and abandon her child. That is often the way things like that go. If I had known from the beginning, I would not have married her. But then my son never would have been born and he was a really good guy that had an associate degree in electronic engineering. So this is a real issue. There are lots of kids out there born into "adultery". Life is more difficult for them than if they had been born into a Bible marriage. David lost the first child he had with Bathsheba. Of course those children are waiting in Heaven. There are lots and lots of children in Heaven from abortions also.
My son had friends who had to decide if they want to life with their mom and her new husband or their dad and his girlfriend. Neither option appeals to them. That is why I stayed single for 17 years to give my son every chance and every opportunity. That is what the Bible says. If you get a divorce, you are to stay single at least for the sake of the children. If a man goes to jail for breaking his wifes arm or leg, would that be grounds for divorce?

 

[mikeforjesus]

I would have been happy to do so if I could know I am saved but I believe God does not promise not sure to trust Him for others make me question by their judgements and teaching that people are not devoted enough to Him as them to serve and to make them to feel they don’t know the way
to follow Christ some to say they can not without traditional church some judging people according to bible that they have not fully obeyed it to know the way though I believe people are only judged by what they know they must do but some act like that is not enough. I would not listen to them not to know if they are right to have a partner to help me to do more to be content but it seems it is not God will that He will not give partner so I think it may be God wants me to follow church.

 

[mikeforjesus]

It is a mistake to be so consumed with desire for earthly things that you would accept to risk to get into relationship with anyone who was not seeking God to pursue them to marry them if they convert. As a Christian you can not insist on anything God does not provide to give you that it has to be sought lawfully among those who are Christian if God provides one perhaps if they are willing otherwise not to insist to focus on serving God. For if one does wrong to do such person can claim they are not required to be commited because they did not make the choice themselves without pressure because you can not expect them that they will be faithful for them to leave relationship unless they made the decision to claim to be Christian and that they would be faithful and were not.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided to be more helpful and to be more safe incase seeking after things could be dangerous for me to die because of being disobedient to the Lord before having I should not seek after more earthly thing myself but only accept if the Lord has given to me that He has clearly shown me that is His will

As said by DL moody I would rather beg for bread on earth like Lazarus than beg for water in hell

 

[eleos1954]

Being married in the biblical definition (one man, one woman) is not a sin ... however we are warned not to be unevenly yolked ....

Paul uses the term unequally yoked, that is ... if a Christian joins themselves with an unbeliever, the joining will hinder their walk with the Lord, restrict their freedom in Christ, and cause an imbalance of responsibility in the relationship.

so .. of course this joining (unevenly yolked) would be ever so more prominent and present difficulties in a marriage

 

[chilehed]

In the days of Noah marriage was a sin...

Nonsense.

 

[Niels]

If they're convinced that it's a sin, then that's what it is for them. Their own conscience will convict them of it even if others who make similar choices aren't sinning.

This is the kind of predicament that we've been set free from. Not everything is stated as plainly as the Ten Commandments, for instance. If you choose to believe that something else is sinful then it becomes an act against God. For you, that is. Sin can have as much to do with intent as with action. This is one way that being legalistic can backfire.

So yes, marriage between two Christians can be sinful if that's what they think it is.

 

[mikeforjesus]

mikeforjesus:
in the days of Noah marriage was a sin

Nonsense.

I meant not that marriage was a sin but it was sin for sons of God because they married people who did not worship same God because of their external beauty.

 

[Mark Quayle]

If they're convinced that it's a sin, then that's what it is for them. Their own conscience will convict them of it even if others who make similar choices aren't sinning.

This is the kind of predicament that we've been set free from. Not everything is stated as plainly as the Ten Commandments, for instance. If you choose to believe that something else is sinful then it becomes an act against God. For you, that is. Sin can have as much to do with intent as with action. This is one way that being legalistic can backfire.

So yes, marriage between two Christians can be sinful if that's what they think it is.

Marriage is not a sin. Getting married can be. But once you're married, you're married.