Can I use a ouija board to communicate with God?

LowPost42 said:

In a discussion earlier today we were discussing what happens in the spiritual if a born-again believer uses a native war drum to worship God?

The current argument is that the redeemed individual sanctifies the instrument.

Following the logic, is a ouija board an acceptable tool to communicate with God?

(For the record, I am not, nor have I ever endorsed using a ouija board to talk to God)

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What do you think of the logic now?

1stcenturylady said:

You said: " I said that I don't believe that you are contacting either the dead or demons with a Ouija board."

It doesn't matter that you aren't going to touch one. You are giving the seriously wrong impression that an Ouija board is nothing more than a harmless toy. What if someone believed you!

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If people believed me that would be good because I've said they shouldn't be used because people who use them put their trust in a gameboard instead of God.

Now let's go back to your false claim. Where did I say you were ignorant?

Archivist said:

If people believed me that would be good because I've said they shouldn't be used because people who use them put their trust in a gameboard instead of God.

Now let's go back to your false claim. Where did I say you were ignorant?

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When you said, "What ignorance." Who else were you talking about when it was MY post you were responding to? Dah!

1stcenturylady said:

When you said, "What ignorance." Who else were you talking about when it was MY post you were responding to? Dah!

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But you were saying that those of us who don't believe that a Ouuja board contacts demons were ignorant. I simply asked a question. Asking "what ignorance" is different than saying you were ignorant. I never said you were ignorant. Never.

Archivist said:

But you were saying that those of us who don't believe that a Ouuja board contacts demons were ignorant. I simply asked a question. Asking "what ignorance" is different than saying you were ignorant. I never said you were ignorant. Never.

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Okay, you're not ignorant, just naïve. Don't ever say that an Ouija board, tarot cards, or anything connected to the occult is merely a toy. Just because you wouldn't touch those things doesn't mean that someone who respects your word wouldn't play with them and get into BIG trouble with demon attacks. If you are not that familiar with the whiles of the devil, say nothing.

1stcenturylady said:

Okay, you're not ignorant, just naïve. Don't ever say that an Ouija board, tarot cards, or anything connected to the occult is merely a toy. Just because you wouldn't touch those things doesn't mean that someone who respects your word wouldn't play with them and get into BIG trouble with demon attacks. If you are not that familiar with the whiles of the devil, say nothing.

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All according to your opinion. And you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to my opinion. The difference between us is that I would not say that you are ignorant or naive or anything else. I would just say that we have differing opinions.

And someone who respects me wouldn't use a Ouija board, I have said that they take you away from trusting God and instead cause people to place their trust in a game board. We shouldn't get involved in anything that causes us to loose our faith in God.

Oh , and you still have not admitted that I never said that you were ignorant. I don't call people names on here. I try to be respectful of the opinions of others.

miknik5 said:

And yet, would you suggest to those who ask you?

Go for it?

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That it's a waste of money and there are far better ways to keep oneself entertained, like watching paint dry, or golf.

-CryptoLutheran

RDKirk said:

Are you saying that Luke was lying about the seven sons of Sceva and the woman possessed by a demon in Philippi?

I'm not saying the Ouija board itself contains any supernatural power, no, it's just a manmade thing.

But you seem to be denying that any supernatural being other than God exists.

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I believe that the devils exist, and they desire to bring us harm, to deceive, to destroy. What I don't believe is that they posses power and abilities that that rival God's. For example, no, I don't believe the possessed girl really could tell the future by the power of the demon that lived in her--though I believe that the demon was able to be and sound convincing enough to fool many, many people.

Jesus says the devil "was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44). We should expect that the devils lie, deceive, manipulate, trick, and cause delusion.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

I believe that the devils exist, and they desire to bring us harm, to deceive, to destroy. What I don't believe is that they posses power and abilities that that rival God's. For example, no, I don't believe the possessed girl really could tell the future by the power of the demon that lived in her--though I believe that the demon was able to be and sound convincing enough to fool many, many people.

Jesus says the devil "was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44). We should expect that the devils lie, deceive, manipulate, trick, and cause delusion.

-CryptoLutheran

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I expect demons can do what Satan demonstrates in Job. That said, they can tell the future when they're merely describing their own plans.

miknik5 said:

Your a mystic and you don't know that St. John of the cross considered these "things" as "curious" or "querious" and it is written that he very bluntly took them away as intrusions in the growth and well being of ones soul

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Just to be clear: while I am skeptical of any "real" "devil worshipping" or "witchcraft"... I am very familiar with some who do practice witchcraft and believe it is self-evidentally bad. This does not mean believe I think their witchcraft actually works. But, I view it as bad because it is like trusting in "luck" and "fortune", instead of God.

Satan worshipping and Satanism, I generally view as coming through human beings, unaware. Most of them seem to think they are following Jesus, when, instead, they are following Satan.

False miracles, I view as being as what we have seen so often these past few decades. Tricks people use to trick others, such as using actors and ear pieces, and the like.

Do not disagree with being called a "mystic", depending on what one means by that. I certainly do deal a lot of metaphoric and abstract matters, though I look for where those matters have specific implications on "reality".

Typically, I view this work as being nearly philosophical, and very linguistic. I try and understand what is missing from current human language in terms of what God tells us, and how God interacts with us.

In terms of Ouija board usage for good, I can point out Moses used dice. Others in Scripture used straws, including the Apostles. However, these are exceptional, rare conditions. And Moses could hear God say just about anything in his heart, and physically, as when the Lord spoke to Moses through the cloud form of the Angel, in the tent.

Main problem I view with the Ouija board, besides that folks who use it seriously, with their own belief tied into it... is that it does have those dark and dangerous connotations for them, and for their critics.

That is, the main problem after the more serious fact already mentioned: God is here and now, and on our hearts and tongues. Doing these sorts of strange rituals deny this, and so severally hurt people.

miknik5 said:

Your a mystic and you don't know that St. John of the cross considered these "things" as "curious" or "querious" and it is written that he very bluntly took them away as intrusions in the growth and well being of ones soul

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Just to be clear: while I am skeptical of any "real" "devil worshipping" or "witchcraft"... I am very familiar with some who do practice witchcraft and believe it is self-evidentally bad. This does not mean believe I think their witchcraft actually works. But, I view it as bad because it is like trusting in "luck" and "fortune", instead of God.

Satan worshipping and Satanism, I generally view as coming through human beings, unaware. Most of them seem to think they are following Jesus, when, instead, they are following Satan.

False miracles, I view as being as what we have seen so often these past few decades. Tricks people use to trick others, such as using actors and ear pieces, and the like.

Do not disagree with being called a "mystic", depending on what one means by that. I certainly do deal a lot of metaphoric and abstract matters, though I look for where those matters have specific implications on "reality".

Typically, I view this work as being nearly philosophical, and very linguistic. I try and understand what is missing from current human language in terms of what God tells us, and how God interacts with us.

In terms of Ouija board usage for good, I can point out Moses used dice. Others in Scripture used straws, including the Apostles. However, these are exceptional, rare conditions. And Moses could hear God say just about anything in his heart, and physically, as when the Lord spoke to Moses through the cloud form of the Angel, in the tent.

Main problem I view with the Ouija board, besides that folks who use it seriously, with their own belief tied into it... is that it does have those dark and dangerous connotations for them, and for their critics.

That is, the main problem after the more serious fact already mentioned: God is here and now, and on our hearts and tongues. Doing these sorts of strange rituals deny this, and so severally hurt people.

miknik5 said:

There's only ONE TRUTH and ONE FOUNDATION

Which is why CHRIST's question "who do the people say that I am"

remains a very important question

Even today

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miknik5 said:

There's only ONE TRUTH and ONE FOUNDATION

Which is why CHRIST's question "who do the people say that I am"

remains a very important question

Even today

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I am not sure how your response is relevant to anything I said. Was there something, in particular, you were attempting to respond to?

I wrote a lot there, and in a very specific context, to another poster.

On this thread, in regards to the OP, I think he did raise some important questions which he was sincerely struggling with.

In context of this OP, there certainly are many who say "Lord, Lord", but Jesus never knew them. Some of these leave good churches and other forms of fellowship, feeling they do not fit in. Some of these start up their own groups, which end up being classified as "cults". A modern day terminology, but an old problem.

This sort of post topic, can certainly bring out a lot of false Christians who believe they know Christ, but do not. It can also bring out very immature Christians whose "consciences are weak" (referring to the "pagan meat" problem of two thousand years ago Paul spoke of).

What happened with Jesus two thousand years ago was instruction for us. Not in regards to Jews nor Romans, but in regards to those who would be as those Jews were, or as those Romans were.

In regards to these sorts of issues, this sort of nakedness can become very apparent, as to "who knows Jesus" and "who is from Heaven", and who does not. Therefore.

Of those, there are two basic types delineated in Scripture. One is the type who literally tasted of the Powers of the Age to come, but did not regard the cross of Christ... and so ever since have been accustomed to a horrible sense of dread and doom. Instead of the powerful hope Christians know.

The other type just never knew anything, and are just wandering clouds without any rain. But, because they tend to view their own self and group as "Christ" and "Heaven" respectively... they enter into severe judgment and anger from God.

As like spies and moles in disguise, they fight against God and Christ, and their followers as from the kingdom of earth, which is enmity to the Kingdom of Heaven.

On these sorts of subjects they can become very clear by how they end up preaching Satan and witchcraft as being great, greater then Christ, effectively.

Whereas, those who sought and found the Kingdom find these things foolish and even laughable. When they are not having to pull out from their hearts the spear and arrows the enemy throws therein, from the hands of their servants.

Where their servants are relying on superficial appearances to pose as servants of Christ.

Christ is and was very unique, and very, very clearly different from the Pharisee sort.

So, we know today, for instance, Inquisition masters who went on witchhunters were just going against real Christians. Similar with the "Puritans" and Salem. Though, you find the same behavior - albeit not in the Most Holy Name of God - in far away, primitive cultures. Such as the witch hunters in Papua New Guinea or the Amazons.

What seems not to have been discussed in all this conversation was the basic concept that brought "ouija board" into question at all:

The current argument is that the redeemed individual sanctifies the instrument.

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I've yet to hear what premises support this contention.

There are many verses that could imply that we dont have to fear these things
Deuteronomy 15:10, Psalms 1:3 etc.

The unbeliever will just read before the verses and after and explain it away. It is pointless to use scripture to prove personal interpretations.

I say be it unto you as you believe. If you believe demons are in that board and will attack you if you use it...you are right. You feel God is all powerful, the earth is his and everything in it, therefore you can use anything in it for good.....you are right.

The danger comes in when we start to teach the babes to fear and respect gods and entities other than the the true and living God. Jesus will get all His sheep, and not one of them will be lost. God is all powerful and His message can be told without adding fear of supposed opposition to Him.

ViaCrucis said:

I believe that the devils exist, and they desire to bring us harm, to deceive, to destroy. What I don't believe is that they posses power and abilities that that rival God's. For example, no, I don't believe the possessed girl really could tell the future by the power of the demon that lived in her--though I believe that the demon was able to be and sound convincing enough to fool many, many people.

Jesus says the devil "was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44). We should expect that the devils lie, deceive, manipulate, trick, and cause delusion.

-CryptoLutheran

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I don't think anyone here is saying that Satan has power that "rivals" God's. But, just because Satan doesn't have a rivaling power doesn't mean he has no power at all.

RaymondG said:

There are many verses that could imply that we dont have to fear these things
Deuteronomy 15:10, Psalms 1:3 etc.

The unbeliever will just read before the verses and after and explain it away. It is pointless to use scripture to prove personal interpretations.

I say be it unto you as you believe. If you believe demons are in that board and will attack you if you use it...you are right. You feel God is all powerful, the earth is his and everything in it, therefore you can use anything in it for good.....you are right.

The danger comes in when we start to teach the babes to fear and respect gods and entities other than the the true and living God. Jesus will get all His sheep, and not one of them will be lost. God is all powerful and His message can be told without adding fear of supposed opposition to Him.

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Not anymore
You can't say anything in defense of this thing because after this discussion if anyone chooses to still use this thing to "see" for their own curiosity after having been given the knowledge from believers as well as witnesses who shared personal testimonies than those who disregard this information and still choose by their own will and not GOD's will fall into many camps but none of them are good:

The rebellious/defiant camp
The seared conscience camp
The test GOD camp

And those who encourage others to practice the works of darkness will also be held accountable for causing their brother/sister to sin

We're supposed to expose the works of darkness and snatch the ignorant out of the fire

Not cover the works of darkness up and allow souls to pass through the fire

2PhiloVoid said:

I don't think anyone here is saying that Satan has power that "rivals" God's. But, just because Satan doesn't have a rivaling power doesn't mean he has no power at all.

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He has power
And when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way, Satan will for a time have full reign with no one to hold back the things which were held back from us by GOD's everyday natural graces upon all men (believer and unbeliever alike)

So now if anyone who has followed this thread does it with either a seared conscience or in doubt

They sin

So don't do it