Can God self Terminate?

[miknik5]

That is the powers that be and for God to decide.
The thread could either deteriorate into the path that Satan would prefer or it can be used for glorification of God. Striving might and main to burden me with guilt isn't the way.

BTW
The ones claiming that God can self-terminate are Trinitarians since they consider Jesus God and he did self terminate for three days. Me? I never made that claim. In fact, such a claim can might be considered a sin and an attack on of God's dignity by non-Trinitarians. Me? I don't hold either view.

No HE didn't. HE laid down the flesh

THE SPIRIT went elsewhere.

 

[miknik5]

That is the powers that be and for God to decide.
The thread could either deteriorate into the path that Satan would prefer or it can be used for glorification of God. Striving might and main to burden me with guilt isn't the way.

BTW
The ones claiming that God can self-terminate are Trinitarians since they consider Jesus God and he did self terminate for three days. Me? I never made that claim. In fact, such a claim can might be considered a sin and an attack on of God's dignity by non-Trinitarians. Me? I don't hold either view.

By the way. You acknowledge Satan?


And so at the end when all has been accomplished what will be the end of Satan

And will his fate be his fate alone?

Or will there be others who will suffer the same fate?

That is if there is Satan.

You want to discuss GOD in this thread and you want to suggest that GOD is happy and on another thread you wanted to understand if people were satisfied in believing there even is a hell

And now you acknowledge Satan but not the truth that the GOSPEL will be preached that all men should come to the knowledge of the truth and thereby be saved

In which case what will be the outcome of some?

 

[aiki]

Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

This is a very human question. The idea of "self-termination," or suicide as we commonly refer to it, is a consideration of finite, comparatively ignorant, and profoundly sin-corrupted creatures. God is none of these things.

Selah.

 

[miknik5]

But at least I now understand where you wanted this thread to lead to

You wanted us to somehow understand that CHRIST laying down the flesh meant HE died

Therefore CHRIST can not be GOD

But you forgot the "rest of the story"

Flesh counts for nothing. HE laid down the flesh yes but because HE lives and because THE SPIRIT which manifested the fleshly vessel of HIS BODY can not die, HE lives FOREVER to make intercession as the ONE and Only WAY back to THE FATHER (which is through HIS BODY alone) for all those who come to faith in the TRUTH of the GOSPEL and come to HIM through faith in HIM have LIFE

 

[miknik5]

The short of it is that no man will be able to invalidate THE TRUTH

 

[Radrook]

But at least I now understand where you wanted this thread to lead to

You wanted us to somehow understand that CHRIST laying down the flesh meant HE died

Therefore CHRIST can not be GOD

But you forgot the "rest of the story"

Flesh counts for nothing. HE laid down the flesh yes but because HE lives and because THE SPIRIT which manifested the fleshly vessel of HIS BODY can not die, HE lives FOREVER to make intercession as the ONE and Only WAY back to THE FATHER (which is through HIS BODY alone) for all those who come to faith in the TRUTH of the GOSPEL and come to HIM through faith in HIM have LIFE

There you go again! No I did not have that in mind when I posted the thread Madam.
Such a subject has nothing to do with what I intended. If I mentioned it is in passing in order to show you how your viewpoint can also be misunderstood in the way you are misunderstanding mine. To me Jesus is my savior whether he is or isn't part of a Trinity. Unlike Truinitarians who insist that he MUST be part of a Trinity, I accept him in whatever way he may be. So I definitely am not arguing against the Trinity.

 

[Radrook]

The short of it is that no man will be able to invalidate THE TRUTH

Many things are perceived as truth which later turn out to be false.
That is why it is essential to have a flexible attitude toward controversial matters.

 

[miknik5]

There you go again! No I did not have that in mind when I posted the thread Madam.
Such a subject has nothing to do with what I intended. If I mentioned it is in passing in order to show you how your viewpoint can also be misunderstood in the way you are misunderstanding mine. To me Jesus is my savior whether he is or isn't part of a Trinity. Unlike Truinitarians who insist that he MUST be part of a Trinity, I accept him in whatever way he may be. So I definitely am not arguing against the Trinity.

And that sir then is the foundation of faith directed in and on HIM alone and believing that all GOD's PROMISES to those who believe and are in CHRIST JESUS are a resounding "AMEN"

 

[Radrook]

This is a very human question. The idea of "self-termination," or suicide as we commonly refer to it, is a consideration of finite, comparatively ignorant, and profoundly sin-corrupted creatures. God is none of these things.

Selah.

I understand that when we speak of God we are not referring to a finite human being with all the limitations and quirks which such a human condition involves. Also, please note that suicide is not in every single case to be viewed as based on ignorance corruption or an evil. If a person is suffering unbearable pain, such as being pinned under wreckage and being cooked slowly alive by the smoldering rubble with no hopes of a rescue, he might very well justifiable seek a way out via suicide and who are we to condemn him? In such cases it is better to leave judgment in God's hands than to follow deontological; principles which invariably must lead to injustice because of their inherent inflexibility.

BTW
You say that flesh counts for nothing? That goes completely contrary to what the Bible tells us about how precious Jesus' ransom sacrifice was. If indeed his body of flesh counted for nothing then you are still unredeemed.

 

[Radrook]

And that sir then is the foundation of faith directed in and on HIM alone and believing that all GOD's PROMISES to those who believe and are in CHRIST JESUS are a resounding "AMEN"

The Trinity Doctrine is NOT the foundation of faith for all Christians. It became the foundation of faith almost 400 years later and was gradually forced upon those who disagreed via the sword. That is almost half a millennium mam. Prior to that there were Christians who simply accepted Jesus as the Son of God and their savior as there are also today.

BTW
I have absolutely nothing against the Trinity Doctrine.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities?

Of course, but he's not a foolish God, so to all you Atheists out there rubbing your hands together and getting all exited...don't hold your breath.

 

[Radrook]

Of course, but he's not a foolish God, so to all you Atheists out there rubbing your hands together and getting all exited...don't hold your breath.

Atheists don't even consider that such a being exists. So how are they going to be be hoping it happens? You say of course? So that means that you think that he could if he wanted to?
But there is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that he would want to because of his personality which is Wisdom, Justice, and Love personified and wisdom Justice and Love would never lead him to do such an unloving, unjust, and foolish thing.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Atheists don't even consider that such a being exists. So how are they going to be be hoping it happens?

Ah, I was waiting for that post, but I expected it to come from an Atheist.

So they say. I never believed for a minute they aren't aware God exists. It's not exactly news that some, including myself, believe it's all a scam they are pulling on themselves so they can do as they want and convince themselves there will be no price to pay for it.

 

[miknik5]

The Trinity Doctrine is NOT the foundation of faith for all Christians. It became the foundation of faith almost 400 years later and was gradually forced upon those who disagreed via the sword. That is almost half a millennium mam. Prior to that there were Christians who simply accepted Jesus as the Son of God and their savior as there are also today.

BTW
I have absolutely nothing against the Trinity Doctrine.

CHRIST is the FOUNDATION.

The trinity doctrine however was put in place because men, born of the SPIRIT, had to put into words to explain their restored relationship with GOD, the Father, in THE SON, and through the HOLY SPIRIT, to men who did not have the SPIRIT, and they could not and would not remove from the equation in that restored relationship with THE FATHER, the SON who is both the very reason for that restored relationship...

 

[miknik5]

Atheists don't even consider that such a being exists. So how are they going to be be hoping it happens? You say of course? So that means that you think that he could if he wanted to?
But there is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that he would want to because of his personality which is Wisdom, Justice, and Love personified and wisdom Justice and Love would never lead him to do such an unloving, unjust, and foolish thing.

They do not consider that either exists...correct?

GOD.

Or satan

 

[Radrook]

CHRIST is the FOUNDATION.

The trinity doctrine however was put in place because men, born of the SPIRIT, had to put into words to explain their restored relationship with GOD, the Father, in THE SON, and through the HOLY SPIRIT, to men who did not have the SPIRIT, and they could not and would not remove from the equation in that restored relationship with THE FATHER, the SON who is both the very reason for that restored relationship...

I am not in any position to condemn those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to eternal death simply because they do not understand things as the Nicene Council did.

 

[Radrook]

They do not consider that either exists...correct?

GOD.

Or satan

They don't consider that anything supernatural exists.

 

[Radrook]

Ah, I was waiting for that post, but I expected it to come from an Atheist.

So they say. I never believed for a minute they aren't aware God exists. It's not exactly news that some, including myself, believe it's all a scam they are pulling on themselves so they can do as they want and convince themselves there will be no price to pay for it.

So you think that atheism is an impossibility? OK! Now I understand what you mean.

 

[miknik5]

Ah, I was waiting for that post, but I expected it to come from an Atheist.

So they say. I never believed for a minute they aren't aware God exists. It's not exactly news that some, including myself, believe it's all a scam they are pulling on themselves so they can do as they want and convince themselves there will be no price to pay for it.

I am not in any position to condemn those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to eternal death simply because they do not understand things as the Nicene Council did.

neither am I

Not to condemn anyone as that is not our right to do

We were told not to

 

[miknik5]

Romans 10 remains sufficient