Can Christians be Demonized?

[Doug45]

For what it is worth, I've witnessed numbers of deliverances in the 70's and 80's and believe that I was personally delivered and that was after being born again. That is subjective and holds very little water doctrinally.

Derek Prince taught that a Christian could not be demonized in his spirit, but could be in his soul or body, while an unbeliever could be demonized in all three. The controversy was strong then and probably will remain so. There is an inherent disdain of the demonic and so we would rather deceive ourselves than face the facts.

Our spirits are saved when we accept Jesus as Savior. The enemy has no claim over our spirits. It is our spiriit's responsibility in co-operation with the Holy Spirit to take dominion over the soul and body, but in many cases it is actually our bodies that dictate to our souls. There is much scriptural evidence that our souls, (minds wills and emotions) are being saved as a process that we describe as sanctification. It is a part of our sallvation. And that our bodies will be redeemed or saved when they are transformed at His coming.

So why not the possability that a demon could abide in our souls or bodies? At least that's what was taught in the early part of this 'wave'.

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Don Basham

Another book by Derek Prince escapes me, but I will edit this post to include it when I can look for it.

Doug

 

[Celticflame]

Sorry to be blunt, but how can a believer not be born again?

Many believe yet are not saved. as Leonard Ravenhill use to say some believe in Christ they believe that he is God in the Flesh, and they believe every promise in the bible and they claim to know the truth but the word has found no place in them, they carry on in their worldy ways and according to Christ their not even Saved.

Jesus requires has followers to repent from their worldy way, not just believe in him, but to deny themselves and pick up their cross daily.

Countefiet Christians usally confess they know Christ and will not acknoledge that they are in any kind of bondage and when you try to tell them they get angry about it.

 

[Trish1947]

Why is it that when a demon leaves a person, its always goes out by the mouth?

I haven't really given this much thought, LOl. But when I do think about the why of it, it would be my opinion only, that they enter the same way. Jesus said, that out of the abundance of the heart (spirit) the mouth speaks. I think that speaking evil things attracts to that area, leaving an opening to go in, and then knows it's way of escape, when cast out. The Bible says:
Pro 6:2 Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.
Maybe that's why Jesus said, "why can't you speak good things?"

 

[Father Rick]

Why is it that when a demon leaves a person, its always goes out by the mouth?

Interestingly, the word for 'spirit' and 'breath' are the same word 'pneuma'.

 

[JimB]

Why is it that when a demon leaves a person, its always goes out by the mouth?

Where did you get this idea? Can you verify it scripturally? Personally, I have seen spirits leave people on many occasions but never by the mouth.

~Jim

 

[pneuma]

vomitting can be a manifestation of somone being delivered from demonic spirits. I've seen this on several occasion in a church service where some people started vomitting after a demon has been called out.

 

[Godzchild]

There is no chance of a born again believer, that has had his old dead spiritual nature removed, and replaced with the Spirit of Christ, to be demon possessed. Guess who would win that battle? After a person is born again, or even filled with the Holy Spirit, it has been known to be experiancing some demonic activity, either in dreams, or a feeling of a opression, or sometimes an actual manifestation of some sort. I believe that after you become born again, you now are something that never existed before, a curiosity to them. They are now curious what you are.. once you realize who you are, and take authority over them, they don't hang around long. They found out who you are, and they are afraid of you. I believe they are the same ones that hung around you before you were born again. and you just weren't aware of them..they just don't recognize you any longer, and become confused.

Actually this is probably closer to what I believe int. I understand what people are saying but the bible does say that the evil one cannot touch us - you either believe it or you don't! I choose to believe it!

 

[salvation05]

Godzchild...


Now, it's true that light and darkness cannot mix-- however, have you ever lit a candle in a very dark room? Was part of the room light and part of it still in darkness? The more light you have in the room, the more the darkness is driven out. Even in a very bright room, is it possible to have darkness in a hidden area (like under a bed or in a cabinet) even though the light is very bright?

That's very much the way it is with a Christian. When we come to Christ, the doors of bondage are opened-- but most Christians don't automatically know how to walk in total liberty. Rather, they start a journey of learning how to walk in the freedom purchased for us by Christ. And those areas of our life where God's truth has not yet been applied may still be in 'darkness'. Also, those areas that we try to keep hidden and not deal with may be 'dark' areas. The more of His truth we apply to our lives, the more 'light' we walk in.

Yes, light does drive out darkness-- but both may exist room.

I am sorry Rick but that is just wrong information to post on this site to many who read, I will defend in Jesus name the Christian faith, do you even know the scripture?

Mark 6: God's Word not Rick's

6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.


7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. It goes on to say about fasting...

 

[Father Rick]

I am sorry Rick but that is just wrong information to post on this site to many who read, I will defend in Jesus name the Christian faith, do you even know the scripture?

Yes, I do know the scriptures-- fairly well...

Mark 6: God's Word not Rick's

6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

For those who may not know, the emboldened portion here is actually a Jewish idiom. When a Jewish man prayed, he would cover his head with his tallit (prayer shawl). On occasion, when deep in prayer, he would also pull the shawl around his face-- which would totally shut him off from outside distractions (and consequently hid his identity from those around, therefore he couldn't be 'seen' as he prayed). This practice is what was being referred to by this idiom. This is still practiced to this day, particularly amongst the Orthodox Jews-- just look at any photo/video of Jews praying at the Wailing Wall.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. It goes on to say about fasting...

My question is what this passage has to do with this conversation-- or as a refutation to what I had previous posted?

Actually, in the scripture you present here Christians are told to pray that God will "deliver them from evil"-- which means, apparently, there is a need for Christians to be "delivered from evil". Since there is no punctuation in the original language verses 11-13 is one long phrase. In this passage, God's provision for us, deliverance from temptation and God's forgiveness of us is, at least in a marginal way, linked with our forgiveness of others. This would imply, that in some fashion, our own actions/attitudes can determine the amount of freedom God is able to release in our lives.

 

[salvation05]

Yes, I do know the scriptures-- fairly well...

For those who may not know, the emboldened portion here is actually a Jewish idiom. When a Jewish man prayed, he would cover his head with his tallit (prayer shawl). On occasion, when deep in prayer, he would also pull the shawl around his face-- which would totally shut him off from outside distractions (and consequently hid his identity from those around, therefore he couldn't be 'seen' as he prayed). This practice is what was being referred to by this idiom. This is still practiced to this day, particularly amongst the Orthodox Jews-- just look at any photo/video of Jews praying at the Wailing Wall.


My question is what this passage has to do with this conversation-- or as a refutation to what I had previous posted?

Actually, in the scripture you present here Christians are told to pray that God will "deliver them from evil"-- which means, apparently, there is a need for Christians to be "delivered from evil". Since there is no punctuation in the original language verses 11-13 is one long phrase. In this passage, God's provision for us, deliverance from temptation and God's forgiveness of us is, at least in a marginal way, linked with our forgiveness of others. This would imply, that in some fashion, our own actions/attitudes can determine the amount of freedom God is able to release in our lives.

Fr Rick

Are you were a true man of God? Judging fellow brothers & sisters? It is people like you who make Catholics look bad.

Mark was written in the Gospel's we are adopted through Jesus Christ, so are you saying Jewish people have a different God? They did not know how to pray when they asked Jesus "How do we pray" that same prayer I learned in Sunday School. I'm a Christian now becuase of teachers like you.

 

[salvation05]

Rick said :Yes, light does drive out darkness-- but both may exist room.

The way to the Light is Christ Jesus

 

[Father Rick]

Fr Rick

Are you were a true man of God? Judging fellow brothers & sisters? It is people like you who make Catholics look bad.

Mark was written in the Gospel's we are adopted through Jesus Christ, so are you saying Jewish people have a different God? They did not know how to pray when they asked Jesus "How do we pray" that same prayer I learned in Sunday School. I'm a Christian now because of teachers like you.

Huh?

Where did I judge anyone?

Where did I say anything about the Jewish people having a different God?

And if I'm someone who 'makes Catholics look bad', then how are you 'a Christian now because of teachers like [me]'?

While I have dealt ONLY with the interpretation of a passage of scripture, you are actually the one who has insulted/attacked personally-- in both of your posts.

 

[Discipleship]

I am sorry Rick but that is just wrong information to post on this site to many who read, I will defend in Jesus name the Christian faith, do you even know the scripture?

I find it very condescending and honestly repulsive that you would make this statement about this man. He may not be familiar with your interpretation of the Scripture, but does that mean he does not know the Scripture at all?

 

[salvation05]

When a Jewish man prayed, he would cover his head with his tallit (prayer shawl). On occasion, when deep in prayer, he would also pull the shawl around his face-- which would totally shut him off from outside distractions (and consequently hid his identity from those around, therefore he couldn't be 'seen' as he prayed). This practice is what was being referred to by this idiom. This is still practiced to this day, particularly amongst the Orthodox Jews-- just look at any photo/video of Jews praying at the Wailing Wall.


My question is what this passage has to do with this conversation-- or as a refutation to what I had previous posted?

Actually, in the scripture you present here Christians are told to pray that God will "deliver them from evil"-- which means, apparently, there is a need for Christians to be "delivered from evil". Since there is no punctuation in the original language verses 11-13 is one long phrase. In this passage, God's provision for us, deliverance from temptation and God's forgiveness of us is, at least in a marginal way, linked with our forgiveness of others. This would imply, that in some fashion, our own actions/attitudes can determine the amount of freedom God is able to release in our lives.

You know what Rick, your right, The prayer in Matthew & Mark was for Jewish people. I never said the prayer "Our Father .... " in a Church before. and everything you said below is true...concerning demons and Christians, I mistakenly thought you meant just Christians, Sorry...

Now, it's true that light and darkness cannot mix-- however, have you ever lit a candle in a very dark room? Was part of the room light and part of it still in darkness? The more light you have in the room, the more the darkness is driven out. Even in a very bright room, is it possible to have darkness in a hidden area (like under a bed or in a cabinet) even though the light is very bright?

That's very much the way it is with a Christian. When we come to Christ, the doors of bondage are opened-- but most Christians don't automatically know how to walk in total liberty. Rather, they start a journey of learning how to walk in the freedom purchased for us by Christ. And those areas of our life where God's truth has not yet been applied may still be in 'darkness'. Also, those areas that we try to keep hidden and not deal with may be 'dark' areas. The more of His truth we apply to our lives, the more 'light' we walk in.

Yes, light does drive out darkness-- but both may exist room

 

[Father Rick]

You know what Rick, your right, The prayer in Matthew & Mark was for Jewish people. I never said the prayer "Our Father .... " in a Church before. and everything you said below is true...concerning demons and Christians, I mistakenly thought you meant just Christians, Sorry...

First, while the portion you highlighted regarding the 'prayer closet' is a Jewish idiom, the principle expressed applies to all-- when in prayer, rather than trying to be seen by all, close yourself off with God.

As to the rest of the passage in question, I'm still not sure why you chose to select that passage with regards to the issue of whether or not a Christian could be demonized. While it is teaching on prayer in classic rabbinical style, there are only allusions to God's deliverance. That is certainly not the emphasis of the passage.

 

[californiadreamin]

I agree that they can be influence but I do not agree that they have an evil spirit IN THEM. The reason being is simply because light and dark do not mix. The Holy Spirit dwells in the believer - an evil spirit cannot dwell where the holy Spirit is.

I agree. True christians that are Holy Spirit filled can't be possessed by demons but they can be oppressed by them. The only acces the devil/demons have to christians are our thoughts. If we allow them to influence our thoughts and sway from the truth of God's Word then we give them access to oppress us.

 

[Jesusong]

Where did you get this idea? Can you verify it scripturally? Personally, I have seen spirits leave people on many occasions but never by the mouth.

~Jim

I'm not saying that's what's supposed to happen, it just seems that when I hear of these deliverances that take place the spirits always seem to go out via the mouth as pewk, or something just as dramatic.

 

[lismore]

I'm not saying that's what's supposed to happen, it just seems that when I hear of these deliverances that take place the spirits always seem to go out via the mouth as pewk, or something just as dramatic.

Hi friend

The idea that a Christian can have demonic attack/ influence on their life Is perhaps true.........

Is there scriptural evidence of driving a demon out of A Christian? A demon that actually lived inside him. Im not convinced that a demon can live inside a believer.

Coming out through vomit? How can you tell its not indigestion?

Oppress for a time yes, but possess No!

 

[Godzchild]

Hi friend

The idea that a Christian can have demonic attack/ influence on their life Is perhaps true.........

Is there scriptural evidence of driving a demon out of A Christian? A demon that actually lived inside him. Im not convinced that a demon can live inside a believer.

Coming out through vomit? How can you tell its not indigestion?

Oppress for a time yes, but possess No!

Exactly!!!

 

[Discipleship]

Is there scriptural evidence of driving a demon out of A Christian? A demon that actually lived inside him. Im not convinced that a demon can live inside a believer.

Haven't you seen the movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose?!