Can Christianity survive without the Pope?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where did I put my Dogma Stamp that they issue ya when ya become a Protestant?
Anybody seen what I did with that?

Shhhh! Don't say "become a protestant". We were around before the Pope was a twinkle in the Lord's eyes.

 

[katholikos]

A tradition by any other tradition that is untraditional becomes that tradition, that then becomes traditional until that tradition becomes untraditional.

Traditionally speaking, of course.

 

[Rick Otto]

Tradition in transition.
End transmission.

 

[katholikos]

Shhhh! Don't say "become a protestant". We were around before the Pope was a twinkle in the Lord's eyes.

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[The Princess Bride]

Greetings. I see the peter and pope threads are being discussed ad-nauseam again so I would like to make a simple poll for ALL denominations to answer. I am not talking about if he was simply a Bishop of Rome and only for that city but a Grand Pope of all Christianity.

So this poll is quite simple "CAN CHRISTIANITY SURVIVE TODAY WITHOUT THE POPE/PAPACY OF ROME"

Yes.

Many of us "rebellious" charismatic protestants have done quite well without him for quite some time, thank you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Shhhh! Don't say "become a protestant". We were around before the Pope was a twinkle in the Lord's eyes.
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LOL. That is what they should call the GT board the way it looks sometimes. Just ask any atheist or pagan that comes here

 

[Heber]

Just found this thread - what about the alternative question:

Can the Pope survive without Christianity (think about it!)?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Just found this thread - what about the alternative question:

Can the Pope survive without Christianity (think about it!)?

Personally I find this question of Christianity surviving without the Pope as very silly. The reason is that Jesus established the church and He is the cornerstone and He has promised it will stand for all time and against Hell. My Faith tells me that God is almighty and nothing can change what He has made. So this means that the Pope and the Catholic Church are going to be here until Jesus comes down from Heaven.

But we can all imagine the impossible happening...

 

[katholikos]

Just found this thread - what about the alternative question:

Can the Pope survive without Christianity (think about it!)?

Yes, just as the Catholic Church can survive without a Bible, because both the Papacy and the Church were established by Christ, and they will remain indefectable until Christ returns

 

[Heber]

Yes, just as the Catholic Church can survive without a Bible,

Given that Yeshua IS the Word of G_d, there might just be a few problems with your answer, K!!

At what point in the Bible that you can do without, did Yeshua install the first man to the office of Pope? I do not recall it in the Bible but then it appears from what you say that you can cope quite adeqately without the Word of G_d so I guess it's just another very convenient arrangement with El Shaddai, that you guys have.

 

[katholikos]

Yes.

Many of us "rebellious" charismatic protestants have done quite well without him for quite some time, thank you.

Sure, if you think that believing false doctrines is doing "quite well", then you're doing great.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Given that Yeshua IS the Word of G_d, there might just be a few problems with your answer, K!!

At what point in the Bible that you can do without, did Yeshua install the first man to the office of Pope? I do not recall it in the Bible but then it appears from what you say that you can cope quite adeqately without the Word of G_d so I guess it's just another very convenient arrangement with El Shaddai, that you guys have.

God did choose Peter as the first Pope.

"Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father."

 

[katholikos]

Given that Yeshua IS the Word of G_d, there might just be a few problems with your answer, K!!...

Actually, that fits perfectly with my answer, because the Word of God is not limited to a book, the Word LIVES, in the second person of the Trinity, the Son of God

 

[Heber]

JC - in that case, Judaism and Y'isra'el will last even longer (in spite of what many say today, particularly in the Catholic Church) since El Shaddai brought them into being a long, long time before there was ever a Pope. It's good, though, to see that Catholicism, in its gracious acknowledgement of that fact, in some parts of its setup, has borrowed the yarmulke - there's hope for the world, yet!

A Rabbi as Pope - now there's a thought

 

[JacktheCatholic]

JC - in that case, Judaism and Y'isra'el will last even longer (in spite of what many say today, particularly in the Catholic Church) since El Shaddai brought them into being a long, long time before there was ever a Pope. It's good, though, to see that Catholicism, in its gracious acknowledgement of that fact, in some parts of its setup, has borrowed the yarmulke - there's hope for the world, yet!

A Rabbi as Pope - now there's a thought

I do not think Judaism can ever disapear. But then I see Christianity as the fullness of Judaism with Jesus as the Messiah prophecied.

I am also very priviledged to have in my heritage some Jewish ancestry.

 

[Heber]

God did choose Peter as the first Pope.

I do not recall Yeshua saying to Kefa, "You are to be the first Pope". I do recall him saying he would build his Church on the rock (though the use of the words, 'Church' and 'Rock' in the context of your argument are uncertain, at best). I certainly do not recall him telling Peter to spend millions on buildings and fancy clothing...nor to rule the world with an iron fist etc etc.

 

[Heber]

I do not think Judaism can ever disapear. But then I see Christianity as the fullness of Judaism with Jesus as the Messiah prophecied.

I am also very priviledged to have in my heritage some Jewish ancestry.

Are you saying, as most Catholics do (and others, too), that the Church is Y'isra'el, that in G_d's plan there is no longer a Y'isra'el?

 

[Heber]

Actually, that fits perfectly with my answer, because the Word of God is not limited to a book, the Word LIVES, in the second person of the Trinity, the Son of God

The Bible, in it's original language(s) is the full self revelation of G_d, according to the majority of Christendom, except the Catholic Church, eh? Does your Bible end at Revelation 21 by any chance?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Are you saying, as most Catholics do (and others, too), that the Church is Y'isra'el, that in G_d's plan there is no longer a Y'isra'el?

Israel can now include gentiles as well. There is a prophecy that this fulfills from the Old Testament or Septuagent.

 

[MamaZ]

Well seeing that we now Know God as our Father and that it is He that holds the world together through His word it was word that even brought forth creation I would say that the writen word of God is as Powerful as it was when written or spoken for we do not serve men but God.