Can Christianity survive without the Pope?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Greetings. I see the peter and pope threads are being discussed ad-nauseam again so I would like to make a simple poll for ALL denominations to answer. I am not talking about if he was simply a Bishop of Rome and only for that city but a Grand Pope of all Christianity.

So this poll is quite simple "CAN CHRISTIANITY SURVIVE TODAY WITHOUT THE POPE/PAPACY OF ROME"

 

[Photini]

Well, the EO has been surviving without the Pope of Rome for quite a long time. It is showing no signs of illness and is continuing to grow. I voted Yes.

Though we do pray fervently for true reconciliation.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Even the EO survive because there is a Pope even if they do not recognize the Pope, for there is illness in the EO - if there were no Pope, the EO would finish their devolvement into chaos with all others.

If the Rock, Peter and the Papacy, ceases to be, then the Church of Christ which is built on it also ceases to be, for then the Church falls into the gates of hades.

I will not be contnuing in this thread - I simply saw it and came to vote, saw the comment and felt the correct reply needed to be made.

 

[archierieus]

Well, the whole idea of a 'pope' was borrowed from pagan religion. God's church, founded upon the Word of God, the Bible, is doing very well without a pope.

Dave

 

[sunlover1]

Even the EO survive because there is a Pope even if they do not recognize the Pope, for there is illness in the EO - if there were no Pope, the EO would finish their devolvement into chaos with all others.

If the Rock, Peter and the Papacy, ceases to be, then the Church of Christ which is built on it also ceases to be, for then the Church falls into the gates of hades.

I will not be contnuing in this thread - I simply saw it and came to vote, saw the comment and felt the correct reply needed to be made.

Nice of you to stop by TLF.
And although you say you will no longer continue in this thread,
I wanted to add my comments to yours for the sake of new
Christians/Catholics/Athiests who may be lurking.

First of all, the Rock is Jesus, and secondly the pope has nothing
to do with the EO's standing or falling. They're standing. And as
far as falling into 'chaos' as all others, there is but one church,
one body, so I can only try to guess who the 'all others' might be.

And to you LLOJ interesting poll. I thought it was a given.
Jesus Christ doesnt need a pope for His church to survive.
He's the head, we're the body. He hath made us free that we
might be free. Free to be free lol.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed.



Wherever His people are, there He is, and there is His body,
of which He Himself is the head (One head, Jesus Christ)


13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lorda, beseech you that ye walk
worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness
and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one
hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God
and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.​

IMO
sonlover

 

[New_Wineskin]

Sure it can . ... It can also survive without all of the outrageous clubhouses and cumbersome heirarchies that abound .

 

[AmericanCatholic]

Well, the whole idea of a 'pope' was borrowed from pagan religion.

What pagan religion was that?

 

[MamaZ]

Sure it can for it is not the pope who holds the truth but the written scriptures and the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth..

 

[Yarddog]

Christianity's survival has never been based on a single man. It has and will always be spread through the Holy Spirit.

God Bless,
Yarddog

 

[katholikos]

Can Christianity survive without the Pope?

In other words, can Christianity survive without honoring those things which Christ established? NO.

 

[katholikos]

Even the EO survive because there is a Pope even if they do not recognize the Pope, for there is illness in the EO - if there were no Pope, the EO would finish their devolvement into chaos with all others.

If the Rock, Peter and the Papacy, ceases to be, then the Church of Christ which is built on it also ceases to be, for then the Church falls into the gates of hades.

I will not be contnuing in this thread - I simply saw it and came to vote, saw the comment and felt the correct reply needed to be made.

Good post.

 

[MamaZ]

So then God, who could make children of Abraham out of rocks, could not unhold His children by His very breath? It as to be held up by the hands of men? Where was men when God created them? The church is not built on Peter.. Tee hee the church is built upon the very Fact that Christ is who He says He is and that His death and ressurection is the very core of the new covenant. Peter is not the new covenant.. Jesus shed blood for the sins of men is.

 

[huldah153]

The post-Vatican II RCC is the reason I am not a Catholic -- ridiculous Popes kissing the Muslim Qu'ran, visiting synagogues and Buddhist & Hindu temples, liturgy changes introduced by V2, dancing in the Church, etc.

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[squint]

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Jesus TOLD Peter who he was.

Jesus TOLD Peter who was doing the building and WHO 'the church' belongs to.

If there is any openly shown history of the churches of the FLESH it is in CONTINUAL DIVISIONS, PROGRESSIVE DARKNESS and the OPEN CONDEMNATION of mankind.

Jesus builds His Church anyway.

go figure...

enjoy!

squint

 

[Gary51]

What pagan religion was that?

Roman pagan religion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Roman pagan religion.

Seems like JESUS wasn't too fond of the OC religion of Judaism either.

Luke 21:5 And certain saying about the Temple/ierou <2411> that to stones ideal, and devoted-things/anaqhmasin <334> it hath been adorned, He said,......
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John 11:48 "If-ever we may be letting Him thus, all shall be believing into Him, and shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking-away of Us and the Place and the Nation."

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that shall be being taken-away from Ye the Kingdom of the God, and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the Fruits of it.

 

[Photini]

Even the EO survive because there is a Pope even if they do not recognize the Pope, for there is illness in the EO - if there were no Pope, the EO would finish their devolvement into chaos with all others.

The Orthodox Church is quite healthy and this is in part witnessed to by its strong roots in and love of monasticism.

The Church would suffer MORE damage if there were no more monastics alive to pray for the world and all those in it. The Church has never been, is not now, and never will be dependant on one bishop in a certain See.

I do not understand why you felt compelled to make such a derogatory statement in response to me when I offered nothing negative about the RCC. I am not the one you need to defend the RCC to, because I see that she still has grace left in her. She still has monastic communities and is still producing Saints. There are plenty of anti-Catholics that you can lash out at on CF, but I am not one of them.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Well, the whole idea of a 'pope' was borrowed from pagan religion. God's church, founded upon the Word of God, the Bible, is doing very well without a pope.

Dave

Hate to break it to you, but yearly schisms of church bodies and increasingly marginalization in post-Christian society is not "doing very well."

Ever stopped to really think there may be a reason why the Catholics are the largest of Christian churches? And why Christianity remains strongest in Europe not among the previously Protestant northern countries, but among the fervent Catholics of the south? And is it any wonder that millions of Africans, so long pulled apart by civil strife, are finding solace and community in the worldwide Catholic Church under the temporal leadership of the Roman pontiff? (and not to mention the Anglicans, another great liturgical, episcopal, historic church body)

 

[ARBITER01]

Greetings. I see the peter and pope threads are being discussed ad-nauseam again so I would like to make a simple poll for ALL denominations to answer. I am not talking about if he was simply a Bishop of Rome and only for that city but a Grand Pope of all Christianity.

So this poll is quite simple "CAN CHRISTIANITY SURVIVE TODAY WITHOUT THE POPE/PAPACY OF ROME"

It already is.

I'll repost what I posted in a thread that was closed,..

I didn't read through all the posts, but it seems folks of a particular 4-walled building are seeking preferable legitimacy through an idea that Christ built His church starting with one person before any others.

Well,... let's look at the account of when The Holy Spirit began His work,..

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

No one first before anyone else, all were giving The Holy Spirit together. We see this witnessed again in the following verses,...

Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying, Behold, are not all these that speak Galilaeans?

What about when Peter started preaching,..

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and spake forth unto them, saying, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and give ear unto my words.

I don't see Peter or anyone else singled out first here in these passages as The Catholics would want folks to believe. That sort of annuls the idea that Jesus, being GOD in the flesh, was ever going to give preference to any particular man above another.

Jesus did not commission just one out of the twelve, He started out with twelve equally, and went from there.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I said other because Christianity does not need a pope it needs Jesus.