Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

[ARBITER01]

And where there is not faith, there will not be understanding.

But I appreciate your contributions to this thread. You are particularly good at explaining things in an educational sort of way!

Thanks.

It's mainly for the folks just watching looking for that "aha" moment of understanding. The naysayers I shrug off.

 

[Guojing]

Yes.

So anyone who gotten covid 19 in those churches, cannot be because of that reason, but must be because of some other reason?

How do you know that to be true?

 

[The Liturgist]

So anyone who gotten covid 19 in those churches, cannot be because of that reason, but must be because of some other reason?

How do you know that to be true?

If the spoon became infected as a result of the disease, it would have infected anyone who partook who had not acquired immunity to the virus and would have been identified by the CDC as a source of an outbreak. This simply did not happen. This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine.

The same parishes did temporarily use separate cups for the blessed wine made available after the Eucharist to wash down any particles of the Body of our Lord and also any Antidoron (blessed bread), which was likewise distributed with increased care.

Likewise the Copts used a shared spoon, with no super-spreader events, but as is their tradition, everyone who then partook of Holy Water to wash down any particles of the Body of our Lord used small individual cups (the Copts use for this purpose the trays that many Protestant denominations use for the Eucharist in lieu of the traditional shared chalice).

 

[Guojing]

If the spoon became infected as a result of the disease, it would have infected anyone who partook who had not acquired immunity to the virus and would have been identified by the CDC as a source of an outbreak. This simply did not happen. This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine.

You have a very interesting logic there, even if your reasoning is somehow valid, the fact that you use CDC means you are only restricting it to churches within the USA.

But whatever floats your boat.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

You have a very interesting logic there, even if your reasoning is somehow valid, the fact that you use CDC means you are only restricting it to churches within the USA.

But whatever floats your boat.

You missed the whole point of our friends post: "This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine."

It is not because of science, it is because of what it is.

 

[Guojing]

You missed the whole point of our friends post: "This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine."

It is not because of science, it is because of what it is.

It has nothing to do with science.

It is about the logic of his reasoning.

 

[Hawkins]

To me, AI is never innovative at this stage, it's just summing up human opinions with a better presentation.

 

[Hawkins]

I speak for myself and from my own experience, speaking in tongue is just a soul speaking language. Humans' language barrier is gone once leaving the body. "Speaking in tongue" is a common language spoken by souls without a body. When you speak in your own native tongue, everyone (soul) else will hear as their own native tongue. Souls even communicate with angels this way. Once enabled (can be disabled under different circumstances), you can hear the angels speaking in your native tongue.

The Pentecost event is rather a temporary enabling of this soul-to-soul speaking mechanism by God the Holy Spirit.

On the other hand, the Corinthians' way of speaking in tongue can be a way of praying in an unknown tongue, that is, not actually a human language. To identify or distinguish the two, a interpreter is needed,

1 Corinthians 14:27-28
If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

It means, at the time of speaking, both can possibly be gibberish as it's supposed to be an off-body language. More like though, the speaker is trying to speak in his own native language, but it turns out to be in gibberish (equally possible is that, it's not gibberish but just his native tonuge), while at the same time all other people will hear as their own native tongues.

 

[JulieB67]

not edification of our mind.

I Corinthians 14:15 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

He continues..

Corinthians 14:16 "Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say "Amen" at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?"


I Corinthians 14:17 "For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified."

This is all about going into a church and speaking and praying in a different language that those do not understand. It's not edifying (building up) the church.


I Corinthians 14:18 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues (languages in the Greek) more than ye all:"

Paul could speak more than one language

I Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

And then we come full circle to his main point.

 

[ARBITER01]

I Corinthians 14:15 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

He continues..

Corinthians 14:16 "Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say "Amen" at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?"


I Corinthians 14:17 "For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified."

This is all about going into a church and speaking and praying in a different language that those do not understand. It's not edifying (building up) the church.


I Corinthians 14:18 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues (languages in the Greek) more than ye all:"

Paul could speak more than one language

I Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

And then we come full circle to his main point.

Christianity is spiritual not material.

Some things of GOD are not completely understandable with our mind, like the gift of tongues. Again, you're approaching this with no experience, which means you really have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[RileyG]

Perhaps I'm too pragmatic. But I ask questions like, why did this take until the 20th century to become a thing? As far as I know between Acts and the 19th century it's not spoken of in any church writings and records. At least as far as the Pentacostal spirit prayer language adaptation goes.

From what I understand, Pentecostalism was founded by Methodists in the early 1900s.

Charismatic is more of an umbrella term where Pentecostal practices have influenced other Christian Churches.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[ozso]

From what I understand, Pentecostalism was founded by Methodists in the early 1900s.

Charismatic is more of an umbrella term where Pentecostal practices have influenced other Christian Churches.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

Yes it was founded by Charles Fox Parham who was a Methodist in 1900. I believe Pentecostals consider Methodists a kindred denomonation. I've only been to one Methodist service as I recall, and what stood out to me is it was more liturgical.

 

[RileyG]

Yes it was founded by Charles Fox Parham who was a Methodist in 1900. I believe Pentecostals consider Methodists a kindred denomonation. I've only been to one Methodist service as I recall, and what stood out to me is it was more liturgical.

Yeah, since Methodism was founded by an Anglican priest and his brother, John and Charles Wesley. I think some are liturgical where some are more contemporary.

 

[ARBITER01]

From what I understand, Pentecostalism was founded by Methodists in the early 1900s.

Charismatic is more of an umbrella term where Pentecostal practices have influenced other Christian Churches.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

At Azusa Street, the people there were a branch of a holiness movement, which later became known at Pentecostal when The Holy Spirit was outpoured there.

 

[RileyG]

At Azusa Street, the people there were a branch of a holiness movement, which later became known at Pentecostal when The Holy Spirit was outpoured there.

Yes! I think I remember reading that but my memory must be rusty! Thanks for the info!

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

It has nothing to do with science.

It is about the logic of his reasoning.

Faith in the words of our Lord, it is about neither logic nor science. What do the Bible say about human wisdom and reason? It is folly.

1 Corinthians 1:18
English Standard Version
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God​

Christ the Wisdom and Power of God​

18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach[b] to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,[c] not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being[d] might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him[e] you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

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[CerebralCherub]

Hi all, I'm new here, so would like to just say HI before jumping onto what seems a fairly active subject.

I was raised Pentecostal Holiness and witnessed my mom 'speaking in tongues' on a number of occasions.

My brother now claims Baptist as his denomination and does not believe that my mom was speaking in tongues. I do not claim a denomination and currently attend a non-denominational church.

Although I saw what I saw, did I see what I think I saw? I am on the fence about it because a) my mom is a very strange person, in general b) her understanding of the bible is questionable and has been spoon-fed to her via televangelists rather than church c) I do not feel strongly, one way or the other, about 'gifts' that are available or have ceased because I do not understand yet what evidence has been provided to confirm availability or cessation and this is something I'm exploring for my own understanding, currently

Regarding ChatGPT, I have a great disdain for all things AI, transhumanism etc. so I'm not sure how much I can add to this apart to note that I despair for humanity. In all of history, men sought false gods and AI seems to be the latest, most trendy idol.

 

[CerebralCherub]

I was raised Pentecostal Holiness and witnessed my mom 'speaking in tongues' on a number of occasions.

Would also like to add that no one interpreted the tongues and she didn't seek interpretation. She was emotional, crying, lifting her hands to the ceiling and everyone looked at her like she was strange! This occurred in a Pentecostal church, a Baptist church and when we were alone at home as she watched TBN. She definitely did not do this to seek attention. She is a very shy person. She didn't speak much about it after it happened and we just carried on with our lives thinking that our mom did what she did because she had the Holy Spirit. To this day, we don't talk much about it apart from mentioning that one can be filled by the Holy Spirit and using her experience as an example.

I don't know where the concept came from that one could initiate tongues of their own accord. We were not taught this way so it is strange to see that the Pentecostal church condones this line of thought. I don't think the denomination I was raised with is in existence today and I think it was on its deathbed when TBN came to the fore and started to preach prosperity gospel etc. This was not something that my grandmother believed in, who was born in 1924 and raised Pentecostal, so was definitely something that evolved later which is unfortunate.

 

[Richard T]

Also decision theology, OSAS, legalism, works righteousness, Some, most or all seem to be part of assemblies that hold to "speaking in tongues" as we are discussing here. Few if any of these (in my opinion) heterodox practices are found in assemblies which reject what we see as non Biblical gibberish.

The most grace oriented preachers I have ever heard are charismatic. Pentecostal holiness folks might leave a sort of works mentality. As to OSAS, I knew Church of God (cleveland, TN) had doctrine that one could lose theiri salvation. Assembly of God leans that way too, though the wikipedia section on them is incorrect on them in that regards. Charismatics are more split. Many do come from Southern Baptist backgrounds so I think those retain the OSAS. I don't see much doctrinal differences other than the tongues stuff and perhaps the word of faith movement with the P/C is probably another doctrine that is different for some P/C. Some don't preach enough of the conditions and motives for faith to work. That it is not a formula, faith in our faith, or faith for what one does not know God's will for. Many though in my opinion handle the message well, even though it sometimes is rarely fully walked in. The same can be said of holiness. Wesley preached and wrote :The Art of Christian Perfection." I actually like that high goalpost. Though nearly all fail, the goal is just. many WOF fail in obtaining at least some of the promises of God, but should that annul the message?
In general, with P/C growing I would hope that most would support their missions and extend them fellowship. Likewise it is sad if P/C don't extend thier support to other churches. Some are hesitant or even anti-Catholic and/or progressive churches but I hope that most are brotherly.

 

[ARBITER01]

I don't know where the concept came from that one could initiate tongues of their own accord. We were not taught this way so it is strange to see that the Pentecostal church condones this line of thought.

The gift of tongues can be stepped out by our own faith and operated, we don't have to wait upon The Holy Spirit to do so. If a person is not taught to do that though, then there will be moments where The Holy Spirit operates the gift, and that can have an emotional element to it for some people.

The basic gifts of the gift of tongues, the gift of interpreting tongues, and the gift of prophesying can all be stepped out in our own faith. The other gifts mostly require The Holy Spirit to operate them.