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You are twisting scripture to fit your personal dogma.

I provided scripture, you provided man made dogma to attempt to explain why scripture doesn't mean what it says.
 
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I notice that you are quoting verses from the Gospels in support of predestination. I see a problem in using the Gospels in this way. Predestination is totally dependent on the doctrine of Original Sin. Yet there is no mention of Original Sin in the four Gospels. This is one of the ways that we know that the Gospels are not in agreement with the Calvinist notion of predestination.
 
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The dichotomy between free will and predestination reflects post-enlightenment thinking. The mindset of 1st century Christianity and Judaism would have no problem with both free will and predestination being true.
 
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The dichotomy between free will and predestination reflects post-enlightenment thinking. The mindset of 1st century Christianity and Judaism would have no problem with both free will and predestination being true.
I have no problem with them both being true as long as there's a realistic understanding of how man's will is limited by his nature.
 
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The dichotomy between free will and predestination reflects post-enlightenment thinking. The mindset of 1st century Christianity and Judaism would have no problem with both free will and predestination being true.

Calvinists don't believe men are robots. Sinful men are free to do what sinful men do: sin.
 
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I understand that some get to hear the gospel and some don't. That still does not explain how those cities could not have repented if they were not elect.

Why do you think Jesus said it would be more tolerable for them on the day of judgement?
The verses that I bolted and underlined answer both of your questions. Go back and read them carefully.

God's electing love in no way relieves man of his responsibility to both believe and obey God. The Lord Jesus tells us plainly in the vers s immediately following your reference thanking the Father for hiding these truths from some and revealing then to others. Moreover He says clearly that no man knows the Father except those whom He chooses to reveal Him to.

If Arminians would actually read the Scriptures with their brain engaged, comparing Scripture with Scripture in it's context, their proof texting taking snippets to be all that is needed would end.
 
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The dichotomy between free will and predestination reflects post-enlightenment thinking. The mindset of 1st century Christianity and Judaism would have no problem with both free will and predestination being true.
The 1st century " Christians" had so perverted the truths of the Scripture that the Apostles wrote scathingly of them.

Therefore using the 1st century as a crutch is moot
 
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Corazon & Bethsaida are not elected by Lord.

Tyre & Sidon are. But their salvation is delayed not denied.
 
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Since Lord says they might have repented, it means the people of Tyre & Sidon are elect but they would get their opportunity to hear just as mentioned in 1 Pet 3: 19, 20.
 
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The 1st century " Christians" had so perverted the truths of the Scripture that the Apostles wrote scathingly of them.

Therefore using the 1st century as a crutch is moot

I'm not arguing the first Christians believed X, therefore X. I'm simply contrasting the way of thinking between ancient cultures and modern, post-enlightenment cultures.
 
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Since Lord says they might have repented, it means the people of Tyre & Sidon are elect but they would get their opportunity to hear just as mentioned in 1 Pet 3: 19, 20.

I disagree. The fact that they did not repent means they were not elect.
 
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I disagree. The fact that they did not repent means they were not elect.

Lord says they would have repented long back. Possibility existed.

If one is not elected, he can't repent.
 
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