Can Baptism save us?

[Lik3]

Matthew 3 1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Luke 3:16-17 16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: 17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

John 3:5-7 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Acts 1:3-8 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:38-41 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:36-39 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Acts 11:16-18 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

No, baptism alone cannot save us. Only Jesus Christ can save us. These verses clearly prove that you have to have repented of your sins to be saved. Just because one is baptized doesn't mean they are saved. In fact, the condemned man to the right of Jesus on the cross believed on Him, but he was not baptised. Jesus, in fact, that he will be with Him in Paradise.To be baptized, either in Spirit or immersed in water, one has to be saved. There is no verse which says that one who has been baptized in water has been sprinkled with water. Jesus was baptized in water because the Holy Spirit hasn't yet come to the believers. One has to be a repentant believer in order to receive the Holy Spirit. This means that the Holy Spirit comes upon the believer and that He was promised to the Church.This does not rule out water baptism. The Bible does not state anything against water baptism. In fact, the Bible has much to say about water baptism. Water baptism is because of the remission of the believer's sins. The Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8 was baptized in water after he repented. Water baptism is also a public confession of the believer's newfound faith, "For you were baptised into union with Christ.." (Galatians 3:27) Hopefully this explanation has helped to clear up one's misconception about baptism. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, I ask that you pray this prayer or one similar to this one in your own words: Lord Jesus Christ, I believe that you died on the cross for me and rose on the third day. I confess that I am a sinner and I ask for your forgiveness. I receive you as Lord and Savior. Thank you for saving me, In Jesus' name, Amen.

 

[saintandrew4life]

you are right baptism can not save us only jesus can save you

 

[LilLamb219]

In baptism we receive the benefits of the cross including the gift of the Holy Spirit, the washing away of our sins, death to the Old Adam, etc... Baptism is a means that God uses to work faith within us so that we may have faith in order to believe in the Savior who died in our place for the forgiveness of our sins.

 

[1watchman]

Baptism certainly does not provide the gift of the Holy Spirit. One needs to learn what the Word of God teaches about salvation. To be saved forever for Heaven one must be "born again" by receiving the Savior --the Lord Jesus, into one's heart and be devoted to Him alone (see John 14:6, etc.). Baptism is only a faithful act of obedience to take a stand with Christ against the unbelieving world. What you say, Lamb, is a religious doctrine you have imbibed, rather that Holy Scripture. Look up, friend.

 

[LilLamb219]

Baptism certainly does not provide the gift of the Holy Spirit. One needs to learn what the Word of God teaches about salvation. To be saved forever for Heaven one must be "born again" by receiving the Savior --the Lord Jesus, into one's heart and be devoted to Him alone (see John 14:6, etc.). Baptism is only a faithful act of obedience to take a stand with Christ against the unbelieving world. What you say, Lamb, is a religious doctrine you have imbibed, rather that Holy Scripture. Look up, friend.

Acts 2:38

 

[dragongunner]

This should answer all questions. The scripture that was left out.

1 Peter 3:20-21 "......while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[Rubiks]

nope.avi - YouTube

This video sums it up completely. Baptism is good but unessesssary for salvation. Only Jesus saves you.

 

[a pilgrim]

Bro. 1Watman said

Baptism certainly does not provide the gift of the Holy Spirit. . .

LilLamds reply was,

Acts 2:38

Since we can (I hope) agree that scripture DOES NOT contradict itself, let's look ahead in Acts and let Peter give us a REAL LIFE sequencing.

Acts 10
[42] And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
[43] To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out [already, insert mine] the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

These folks got the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues prior to baptism. This is the REAL SEQUENCE we should take note of. in Acts 2:38,

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

The Bible is an "Eastern" book and their sentence structure does not always match our Western thought. For example:

"John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4

Some erroneously claim this verse teaches baptism remits your sins, but it clearly teaches otherwise. It says it was the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Baptism is not remitting the sins, repentance is. Baptism is the outward expression that one has repented and had an inward change, i.e., that SPIRITUAL BAPTISM that occurs upon saving faith.

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. . . " 1 Cor. 12:13a

The Spirit of God, which fell on those believers in Acts 10 PUT them INTO the body of Christ by faith when they believed the preaching. Thus the Holy Ghost fell on them and Peter said, Hey, let's baptize them (in water) now because they have the Holy Ghost like us.

 

[LilLamb219]

Here is a Bible Study my friend Tammy did on the topic of baptism and has given me permission to repost it:

1. WHAT BLESSINGS DO WE RECEIVE FROM GOD IN BAPTISM?

1 Peter 3:20-21. … in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it a few people, eight in all, were saved through water — and this water symbolizes Baptism that now saves you also.

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 6:3-10. Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

* Note: These passages from Colossians and Romans are summarized well by Dr. Lowell Green: “Baptism is the retroactive participation in the work of Good Friday and Easter Sunday — even better, it is incorporation into the body of the risen and ascended Savior ...”

Galatians 3:27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Eph. 5:26. Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Titus 3:5. He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:11. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Acts 22:16. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

* Note: In these passages, the Word of God associates Baptism with dying and rising with Christ, being clothed with Christ, being cleansed and made holy by Christ, having sins washed away, receiving the Holy Spirit, being regenerated (reborn) and renewed, receiving the forgiveness of sins, and being saved.


2. WHO IS TO BE BAPTIZED?

Matthew 28:19-20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16. And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.



2. Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

* Note: The burden of proof lies on those who would choose to deny God’s gift of Baptism to an entire class of people.


3. ARE THERE ANY INDICATIONS IN THE BIBLE THAT INFANTS WERE BAPTIZED?

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

* Note: Circumcision was a rite associated almost exclusively with infants (eight days old). It would be odd to refer to Baptism as the “circumcision of Christ” if Baptism of infants was to be forbidden while circumcision was given almost exclusively to infants. (Note also that infants did receive Jewish proselyte baptism.)

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Acts 16:14-15. One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home.

1 Corinthians 1:16. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.

Acts 16:33. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.

* Note: Households included all members of the family (which usually included extended family) as well as servants and their families. For this reason, it would be unlikely that none of the households referred to above included a baby.

* Note: There is very strong historical evidence that Infant Baptism has been the common practice of the Christian Church since the first century of the Christian era, and was almost entirely unopposed until the 1500’s. For more information, see http://www.issuesetc.org/resource/journals/kastens.htm. Historical information from outside the Bible does not prove what is right, but humility would suggest that we should think twice before concluding that the whole Christian Church got it wrong for about one and a half millennia — especially when it is seen that a strong Biblical case can be made for infant Baptism.


4. ARE INFANTS IN NEED OF THE BLESSINGS THAT BAPTISM GIVES?

Psalm 51:5. Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Ecclesiastes 7:20. For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin.

Romans 3:20. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

John 3:6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



3. Romans 8:7. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

Ephesians 2:1. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.


5. ARE INFANTS CAPABLE OF RECEIVING GOD’S BLESSINGS?

Luke 1:15. For he [John the Baptist] will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb.

Luke 1:41-44. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud voice and said, 'Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy.'"

* John the Baptist is an example of the Holy Spirit being active in an infant. Since Baptism is associated with receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), this indicates that infants can receive this benefit of Baptism. We are not to deny this gift to children, but are to bring them to Him for this blessing.

Luke 18:15-17. And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, 'Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.''

* Note: The Greek word translated “babies” in this passage (brephe) referred to children in the womb and newborns. These were babies, not older children.

* Note: Our Lord Jesus clearly states that infants can receive the kingdom of God. Since they were sinful from conception, and because that which is born of the flesh is flesh (which is hostile to God), this means that it must also be possible for infants to be born of the Spirit — otherwise, they could not receive the kingdom of God.

Matthew 18:1-6. At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?'' And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."

Matthew 21:15-16. But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant. "Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, 'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

* Note: Since we already know from God’s Word that infants can receive the Holy Spirit and can receive the kingdom of God, it should not surprise us that Jesus here refers to small children believing in Him (which could also be translated as having faith in Him) and children and infants praising Him. It is the Holy Spirit who creates faith, and the kingdom of God is received by faith.

* Note: Since Jesus says that small children can believe in Him, we can properly speak of small children who are believers in Christ — “Christians.” If they are capable of being Christians, they should not be denied Baptism.

* Note: This (small children being believers) is reflected in early Christian tomb inscriptions. The faith of infants is also referred to in the writings of important teachers in the early church (such as Augustine). Following are quotes from a few pastors and theologians about the faith of these little ones who believe in Christ:



Dr. Martin Chemnitz: "Although we can neither understand nor explain in words what may be the nature of that action or operation of the Holy Spirit in infants who are baptized, nevertheless the Word of God leaves no doubt that such action and operation does occur. This which the Holy Spirit produces in infants we call faith and say that infants believe."

Dr. Johann Gerhard: "Even though we do not understand what all takes place with faith in the tiny, little children, yet we should hold the Word of God in such reverence that we do not deny what it so clearly witnesses to regarding the faith of little children."

Dr. David Scaer: "Surely, if infant brains can process human language and make sense out of their environment, they can process the divine language which proceeds from the mouth of God and calls to faith. It would be strange to assert that the words of the Holy Spirit lack the efficaciousness which human language has with infants."

Dr. William Arndt: “If the question is asked how an infant, unconscious of what is happening around it and unable to understand the meaning of Baptism, can believe, the answer is that not we but the Holy Spirit creates faith in the child receiving Holy Baptism and that He can perform that miracle and take up His dwelling in children as well as in people who are grown up.”

Dr. Robert Kolb: “The Word of God is powerful enough, when uttered, to change even a godless heart, which is no less responsive and helpless than any infant.”

Dr. Lowell Green: “God does not need human cooperation. In fact, faith is the setting aside of our own activity in order that God may work in us.”


* Note: Those who say that a lack of mature reason precludes infants from having faith are encouraged to consider what the Bible says about natural man’s reason and faith -- see, for example: 1 Corinthians 1:18-31, 1 Corinthians 2:14, 1 Corinthians 3:18-20, Romans 8:6-7, 1 Timothy 6:20-21. True wisdom does not precede faith but is given by God and received by the faithful as a gift. The reasoning of an unbelieving adult is not a prerequisite to faith, but rather fights against faith.

Additional resources:

A good discussion of infant Baptism and infant faith can also be found in the novel “The Hammer of God” by Bo Giertz (pages 214-227).

These topics are also addressed in the book “Scriptural Baptism,” which is written in the form of a dialogue between a Lutheran and a Baptist. The book can be read online at: http://www.geocities.com/resourcesfo...antBaptism.htm

Books well worth purchasing that have excellent discussions of this are “Baptism” by Dr. David P. Scaer (available from CPH.ORG) and “Baptized into God’s Family” by Dr. A. Andrew Das (available from Northwestern Publishing House - Proclaim His salvation day after day). For an outstanding classic treatment, see “A Comprehensive Exploration of Holy Baptism and Lord's Supper” by Johann Gerhard (available from CPH.ORG).

6. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS REGARDING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BAPTISM

In Biblical accounts of Baptism, there was not a lengthy delay between conversion and Baptism (e.g. Acts 2, Acts 8:26-40, Acts 9:-17, Acts 22:1-16, Acts 16:33). They went hand in hand.

Biblical accounts of Baptism indicate that it was not necessary for it to be done publicly. The Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-40), Paul (Acts 9:18, Acts 22:16), and the Philippian jailer and his household (Acts 16:33) were all baptized in private settings. The important thing about what Baptism is what God is doing — freely giving us His gifts as He makes us His children.

 

[a pilgrim]

Here's a good quote to remember:

"Every mention of baptism does not always mean water, and all mentions of water do not always mean baptism."

 

[Albion]

I can't imagine that there are very many people who are going to argue that Baptism apart from Christ will save you somehow in and by itself.

But I can imagine this pointless thread lasting several hundred posts at least, even though it's identical to several others that were up and running recently.

 

[dragongunner]

I do not believe in infant baptism.....the scriptures in this thread trying to support it are wrong interpretations of the scriptures and or assumptions. There is no scripture where a infant was baptized. It must be done by the freewill of the person being baptized, it is done out of obedience to the word. A infant doesn't even know that he is a sinner, let alone know they need to repent of it.

The question shouldn't be do we need to be baptized after finding Christ, but rather who wouldn't want to seeing how clear the scriptures are and what Christ whom we are suppose to be following said about it. But I suppose there are those who are too foolish like the 5 virgins.

 

[Albion]

I do not believe in infant baptism.....the scriptures in this thread trying to support it are wrong interpretations of the scriptures and or assumptions. There is no scripture where a infant was baptized. It must be done by the freewill of the person being baptized, it is done out of obedience to the word. A infant doesn't even know that he is a sinner, let alone know they need to repent of it.

The question shouldn't be do we need to be baptized after finding Christ, but rather who wouldn't want to seeing how clear the scriptures are and what Christ whom we are suppose to be following said about it. But I suppose there are those who are too foolish like the 5 virgins.

You see, L'il Lamb, how the discussion goes forward, even without any connection to the stated topic of the thread.

 

[cerette]

I do not believe in infant baptism.....the scriptures in this thread trying to support it are wrong interpretations of the scriptures and or assumptions. There is no scripture where a infant was baptized. It must be done by the freewill of the person being baptized, it is done out of obedience to the word. A infant doesn't even know that he is a sinner, let alone know they need to repent of it.

The question shouldn't be do we need to be baptized after finding Christ, but rather who wouldn't want to seeing how clear the scriptures are and what Christ whom we are suppose to be following said about it. But I suppose there are those who are too foolish like the 5 virgins.

There are passages mentioning whole households /families being baptized. How do you know there were no infants in those households or families?

 

[dragongunner]

There are passages mentioning whole households /families being baptized. How do you know there were no infants in those households or families?

Prove that there was...by the scriptures. I know alot of households that have no infants. Commom sense.....No Apostle and not even Christ taught or commanded clueless infants to be baptized.

 

[cerette]

Prove that there was...by the scriptures. I know alot of households that have no infants. Commom sense.....No Apostle and not even Christ taught or commanded clueless infants to be baptized.

No, I don't need to prove anything. I just asked: How do you KNOW that there were no infants? I know lots of households too where there are no infants, but that has nothing to do with this. How can you KNOW that there were no infants in the families / households that were baptized?

 

[LilLamb219]

But Christ did say to baptize all nations

 

[dragongunner]

No, I don't need to prove anything. I just asked: How do you KNOW that there were no infants? I know lots of households too where there are no infants, but that has nothing to do with this. How can you KNOW that there were no infants in the families / households that were baptized?

What happens first.....Getting baptized......then at some point I will repent of my sins....? Baptism comes after repenting of your sins. For Peter said "repent, and be baptized in Jesus name for the Remission of sins....."

So explain how a infant is going to repent of its sins. So I ask again if you want to believe in infant baptism, that is water baptism without repentence you will have to prove it by the scriptures. Once again....common sense.

 

[LilLamb219]

What happens first.....Getting baptized......then at some point I will repent of my sins....? Baptism comes after repenting of your sins. For Peter said "repent, and be baptized in Jesus name for the Remission of sins....."

So explain how a infant is going to repent of its sins. So I ask again if you want to believe in infant baptism, that is water baptism without repentence you will have to prove it by the scriptures. Once again....common sense.

Order is important to you? How about where Jesus told the disciples to "baptize" and then "teach"?

Matthew 18-20 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Baptism (water and Word) gives us the blessings of the cross. Without God's promises attached to it (His Word), it would just be water.

 

[cerette]

What happens first.....Getting baptized......then at some point I will repent of my sins....? Baptism comes after repenting of your sins. For Peter said "repent, and be baptized in Jesus name for the Remission of sins....."

So explain how a infant is going to repent of its sins. So I ask again if you want to believe in infant baptism, that is water baptism without repentence you will have to prove it by the scriptures. Once again....common sense.

How do you KNOW there were no infants in the households / families that were baptized?

Here is a good Bible study on baptism:
http://www.clclutheran.org/lfm/lfm12.pdf