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Can anyone help me find hope?

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Its never too late and long as your living in the flesh. How did you expect God to answer? God answers in His timing and He knows what is best for you; you don't know whats best because God created you. The sculture knows how to mold the clay not the clay itself.

I would start from the beginning and take one day at a time. Yes, read the Bible (Word of God), pray and go back to a real bible believing church. A "real" one does practice what they preach and they truly adhere to bible teaching to the letter. And ask the Holy Spirit back into your heart. Its the power of God so that you can live a christian life. If you didn't, this may be your problem to begin with. You can't live a christian life and grow daily in christ without it. Our human power can't do this.

The Bible is the most fascinating book that exists and is truly the living word of God.

Its a spiritual and secondly an intellectual decision - christianity. For intellectual data you might want to read Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (an athiest but now a christian) and A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel (an athiest and now a christian). Also, there is Evidence Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell.
 
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I thought I became a Christian but still I did not know God. Many Christians have tried to help and failed. Do you know anyone who can help me?

Many years ago I asked forgiveness through Jesus for my sins and invited God to take control of my life. I joined a church, prayed, read the Bible, told everyone I was a Christian and tried to live an active Christian life. I thought I was saved. Everyone else thought I was saved. Yet there was no feedback from God. I did not know God. No relationship with the Lord. No answered prayers, no awareness of God’s presence, no guidance, no sudden realisation of spiritual truth. Nothing.

I remained an active Christian for two years. Then I stopped calling myself a Christian, convinced that something was wrong. I needed to find out what was wrong, put it right and then come again to God. However, I still do not know why I failed to find God. I have considered many possibilities, but no explanation so far is consistent both with my experience and with the Christian message. Maybe I am saved, maybe not. I do not know.

Because of my disastrous experience back then I cannot simply ask again for forgiveness and invite God into my life. I stepped out in faith trusting God, and landed flat on my nose. Something has to happen before I can trust God again.

Over the years many well-meaning Christians, evangelists, pastors and Christian counsellors have tried to help. They soon realise that my situation is outside their experience. They pray for me, but can do no more.

I am asking, do you know of someone, anywhere in the world, who could help me? Someone open to the spiritual gifts of wisdom or a word of knowledge from God. Maybe someone who has met my situation before. I am not unique; other contributors to Christian Forums have similar experiences. Like me, they lack emotions, and despite what many Christians say, emotions do seem an essential requirement for knowing God.

Do you know of anyone who can help bring back my hope?
Yes. Believe that Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. Since that came to pass as He said, you can rely on the other things as well.
 
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Hey Lost hope
You know many years ago I had some very bad things take place that even made me walk away and quit.

I didn't go back to the old ways, when I did something it would make me feel bad for doing it, do you feel bad for doing wrong things?

Most people who are lost lack this.

Being saved has nothing to do with you, that is just what happened to you, you are saying you want to know God, then learn about who Jesus was.

Making him Lord of your life is you learning what he requires you to be. Reading the Scriptures are your way to know how God requires you to act, he covers every area of us but this takes time. Not because it hard for God to do, it just hard for us, nobody likes change and starting the christian walk is like the start of water running over the rough rocks, with time they will be reshaped, but without breaking apart.

Do you know anything about Jesus, he said he was who God is. Learn what he requires your behaviour to be, it's not about going to church or being this denomonation.

Jesus said when some will come to him at judgement day calling him Lord but he will say depart from me, I never knew you.

You need to take time to get to know Jesus, that is what your new relationship would mean for you.

The word is the water that runs over and thru you, the more it's read the more the change happens to you but your reading, praying, doing good things, learning more about Jesus will give you that hope you want but your relationship with Jesus will keep on going for the rest of your life

Peace to you
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To BelindaP. I found your posting fascinating. Yes I would like to hear more about your journey back to God. I have sent you a PM about this.

To Godschosengirl. You wrote this:
with me, I did not really hear much from God until I knew what His voice sounded like. The only way I could know that is to know Him. The way I came to know Him enough to hear him is to read His Word.
God's Word is all about Him! It teaches us the true nature of God and we learn, just by studying it, who He is. We of course are saved, but that is not the same as knowing who God is and being able to hear and recognize His voice.
Get in the Word~~no matter how cold you may feel about it (been there). Keep studying and reading while praying for the Holy Spirit to reveal Him to you. I prayed many times before just picking up my bible and reading it: "Lord please burn Your word I am about to read into my heart. May I never forget it...reveal Yourself to me".
Read the New Testament but don't forget the Old Testament...that is where I think I learned the most about who God is.

If only it was that simple. I have been familiar with my Bible for many years, and before I became a Christian I knew it better than many Christians, to their embarrassment. But despite much reading of the Bible, I have never had any verse burned into my heart. Unfortunately I do not have a “heart” in that sense. Nothing in my life has ever really touched me in the way that you describe. I am not expecting that anything will ever touch my heart in such a way. The reason is that I was born with a medical condition that means I can only have very weak emotions, and the result is that I have nothing similar to what you and the Bible describe as “heart”. I also seem to have zero spiritual awareness. So I have never experienced anything from God, no awareness of the Holy Spirit at all.
I can read the Bible to know about God. But I cannot read the Bible to know God. I wish it was possible for me, but it is not. That route to God is closed to me. Fine for you, but closed to me. Unfortunately I do not know of any route available for me to find God. God, being resourceful, no doubt has ways to get in contact with me, but it has not happened yet.
Thank you for sharing your route to knowing God and hearing God’s voice. One day I hope to find my way to knowing God.

To Zeena. You are right. Only Jesus can bring back my hope. A brilliant answer. But how do I get to know Jesus? Given that I failed to find Jesus when I thought I was a Christian many years ago.

To salida. You wrote this:
Its never too late and long as your living in the flesh. How did you expect God to answer? God answers in His timing and He knows what is best for you; you don't know whats best because God created you. The sculture knows how to mold the clay not the clay itself.
I would start from the beginning and take one day at a time. Yes, read the Bible (Word of God), pray and go back to a real bible believing church. A "real" one does practice what they preach and they truly adhere to bible teaching to the letter. And ask the Holy Spirit back into your heart. Its the power of God so that you can live a christian life. If you didn't, this may be your problem to begin with. You can't live a christian life and grow daily in christ without it. Our human power can't do this.
The Bible is the most fascinating book that exists and is truly the living word of God.
Its a spiritual and secondly an intellectual decision - christianity. For intellectual data you might want to read Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (an athiest but now a christian) and A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel (an athiest and now a christian). Also, there is Evidence Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell.

I can read the Bible, pray, and go to a good church. But if I do not have a relationship with God, I have to assume that I am probably not saved. I could ask the Holy Spirit into my “heart”, but I am not at sure that I have a “heart” as you and the Bible use the word. I agree with you completely that without the Holy Spirit in my life, I will not be able to lead a true Christian life or to grow in Christ. But for me the real question is, how can I find God, know the love of Jesus and have the Holy Spirit in my life? You may be able to tell me how it happened for you, but I need to find out how it can happen for me. Remembering that many years ago I came to God in repentance, asked for forgiveness though Jesus and asked God into my life – and apparently had no response.
I am not familiar with two of the books you mention, but I have seen the Josh McDowell book and was not favourably impressed.

To PhilosopherD. You wrote this:
Believe that Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. Since that came to pass as He said, you can rely on the other things as well.Years ago I believed this and much more, and did rely on the other things as well. It made no difference. I still failed to know God.

To revmalone. You wrote this:
You know many years ago I had some very bad things take place that even made me walk away and quit.
I didn't go back to the old ways, when I did something it would make me feel bad for doing it, do you feel bad for doing wrong things?
Most people who are lost lack this.
Being saved has nothing to do with you, that is just what happened to you, you are saying you want to know God, then learn about who Jesus was.
Making him Lord of your life is you learning what he requires you to be. Reading the Scriptures are your way to know how God requires you to act, he covers every area of us but this takes time. Not because it hard for God to do, it just hard for us, nobody likes change and starting the christian walk is like the start of water running over the rough rocks, with time they will be reshaped, but without breaking apart.
Do you know anything about Jesus, he said he was who God is. Learn what he requires your behaviour to be, it's not about going to church or being this denomonation.
Jesus said when some will come to him at judgement day calling him Lord but he will say depart from me, I never knew you.
You need to take time to get to know Jesus, that is what your new relationship would mean for you.
The word is the water that runs over and thru you, the more it's read the more the change happens to you but your reading, praying, doing good things, learning more about Jesus will give you that hope you want but your relationship with Jesus will keep on going for the rest of your life

Do I feel bad for doing wrong things? Yes, but not particularly strongly. Certainly I have never experienced anything resembling a conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit.
Reading the Bible can help me learn certain things. It can give me general guidance, but only if I know God can I get the personal guidance that is essential for me to fulfil God’s plan for me. Reading the Bible can help me to learn about Jesus, but that is very different from knowing Jesus in a personal way.
I am well aware that on judgement day Jesus may say that he never knew me. I am trying to find out how to know Jesus, and I know that it will not happen simply by reading the Bible. Because no matter how many times I read the Bible, it has never caused any change in me. I want a relationship with God, not a relationship with the Bible.
 
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To Zeena. You are right. Only Jesus can bring back my hope. A brilliant answer.
And He will! :kiss:

Only believe! :hug:

But how do I get to know Jesus? Given that I failed to find Jesus when I thought I was a Christian many years ago.
Stop trying, and just start being!

God created you for His Love, REST in that Love knowing He will make a way!

Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

Peace, be still!
In Jesus Name.

Amen!
 
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I thought I became a Christian but still I did not know God. Many Christians have tried to help and failed. Do you know anyone who can help me?

Many years ago I asked forgiveness through Jesus for my sins and invited God to take control of my life. I joined a church, prayed, read the Bible, told everyone I was a Christian and tried to live an active Christian life. I thought I was saved. Everyone else thought I was saved. Yet there was no feedback from God. I did not know God. No relationship with the Lord. No answered prayers, no awareness of God’s presence, no guidance, no sudden realisation of spiritual truth. Nothing.

I remained an active Christian for two years. Then I stopped calling myself a Christian, convinced that something was wrong. I needed to find out what was wrong, put it right and then come again to God. However, I still do not know why I failed to find God. I have considered many possibilities, but no explanation so far is consistent both with my experience and with the Christian message. Maybe I am saved, maybe not. I do not know.

Because of my disastrous experience back then I cannot simply ask again for forgiveness and invite God into my life. I stepped out in faith trusting God, and landed flat on my nose. Something has to happen before I can trust God again.

Over the years many well-meaning Christians, evangelists, pastors and Christian counsellors have tried to help. They soon realise that my situation is outside their experience. They pray for me, but can do no more.

I am asking, do you know of someone, anywhere in the world, who could help me? Someone open to the spiritual gifts of wisdom or a word of knowledge from God. Maybe someone who has met my situation before. I am not unique; other contributors to Christian Forums have similar experiences. Like me, they lack emotions, and despite what many Christians say, emotions do seem an essential requirement for knowing God.

Do you know of anyone who can help bring back my hope?

I have not found this God either, I only have what I see happen in my life.

Let tell you a story, one day while I was at work, lunch time came and I was hungry, but I had no money on me, and I prayed that God would find it in his heart to provide me, so that I would not suffer at this time in my life. Seemed like a silly prayer at the time, and I realized that if nothing happened, it really was my own fault I was in this situation in the fist place, but one can hope right.

A little while later my co-worker came in, and said "Hey, Key, you like these Italian subs right?" and I was like "Yah" and says "Well they messed up my order, and I can't eat this, so if you want it, here you go" and that day I had a sub for lunch.

At that moment, I was given a choice, I could have said, there is no God because that was just a man, or that God had worked in a way in my life, and provided me what I needed, when I needed it.

See, if we keep looking at the heavens, expecting God to rain down from the Heavens, we never see the Gold that he has laid at our feet.

I guess, maybe, when you look for God, you need to start by saying, there is no such thing a dumb luck, and that all that happens, is God working in your life.

Then you might find, that you have much to be thankful for, and that God still works in your life, and changes you, but he does so, in a quiet and wonderful way, like a loving guiding parent allowing you to be your own way, and helping you when you need it, in a quiet way with actions, not words.

God Bless

Key.
 
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Yet there was no feedback from God. I did not know God. No relationship with the Lord. No answered prayers, no awareness of God’s presence, no guidance, no sudden realisation of spiritual truth. Nothing.

God will give feedback to you from His Word. You find out about God through His Word. His Word describes Him completely. Don't base your relationship with God on emotions. Our emotions change like a weather vane in a whirlwind. Though our emotions come and go, His love for us does not.
You get guidance from Gods Word. Would you have to ask God if something is wrong when you see it is wrong in His Word?
When we first become Christians we learn the milk of the Word and as we walk through life we get more mature and realize spiritual truths.
How did you get saved? Did you have conviction of your sin? And did this conviction drive you to Christ so that you wouldn't suffer the wrath to come?
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I have not found this God either, I only have what I see happen in my life.

Let tell you a story, one day while I was at work, lunch time came and I was hungry, but I had no money on me, and I prayed that God would find it in his heart to provide me, so that I would not suffer at this time in my life. Seemed like a silly prayer at the time, and I realized that if nothing happened, it really was my own fault I was in this situation in the fist place, but one can hope right.

A little while later my co-worker came in, and said "Hey, Key, you like these Italian subs right?" and I was like "Yah" and says "Well they messed up my order, and I can't eat this, so if you want it, here you go" and that day I had a sub for lunch.

At that moment, I was given a choice, I could have said, there is no God because that was just a man, or that God had worked in a way in my life, and provided me what I needed, when I needed it.

See, if we keep looking at the heavens, expecting God to rain down from the Heavens, we never see the Gold that he has laid at our feet.

I guess, maybe, when you look for God, you need to start by saying, there is no such thing a dumb luck, and that all that happens, is God working in your life.

Then you might find, that you have much to be thankful for, and that God still works in your life, and changes you, but he does so, in a quiet and wonderful way, like a loving guiding parent allowing you to be your own way, and helping you when you need it, in a quiet way with actions, not words.

God Bless

Key.
Key, AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is beautiful.
Thanks,
TexasTig
 
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To Zeena
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Originally Posted by losthope But how do I get to know Jesus? Given that I failed to find Jesus when I thought I was a Christian many years ago.
Stop trying, and just start being!
God created you for His Love, REST in that Love knowing He will make a way!
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Isaiah 43:19Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
Peace, be still!
In Jesus Name.

It sounds good, but to me it is just words. How can I rest in a love that I have not experienced? How can I know that God will make a way, when more than 33 years after I became a Christian I have still no awareness of God or of any way? I have tried waiting and being still. Now I wonder if it is time for action.

To Key

You gave a lovely example of the way that God can work in small ways, through people, in answer to prayer. Unfortunately that is precisely the type of thing that never happened to me as a Christian. It happened to other people, but never to me. I can remember one occasion when I prayed for something, and there was no response. Then someone else came beside me and prayed for the same thing, and it happened for them, but not for me. I really did mean it when I said that I personally had no response from God.

To texastig. You wrote this:
God will give feedback to you from His Word. You find out about God through His Word. His Word describes Him completely. Don't base your relationship with God on emotions. Our emotions change like a weather vane in a whirlwind. Though our emotions come and go, His love for us does not.
You get guidance from Gods Word. Would you have to ask God if something is wrong when you see it is wrong in His Word?
When we first become Christians we learn the milk of the Word and as we walk through life we get more mature and realize spiritual truths.
How did you get saved? Did you have conviction of your sin? And did this conviction drive you to Christ so that you wouldn't suffer the wrath to come?

I can assure you that I could never base my relationship with God on emotions. I do not have emotions in the way that most people do. My emotions do not “come and go”; they are never there at all. So it would be impossible for me to base anything on my emotions.
I agree that we get general guidance from the Bible. Lots of it. But sometimes a person needs personal guidance, and that means getting something personal from God. Something that I never had, no matter how much I needed it.
I do not think that I learned any new spiritual truths after becoming a Christian. I read the Bible a lot, and used it to give me examples of the way God acts and so on. But spiritual truths? Unfortunately not.
How did I get saved? It was at a time of my own choosing. There was no special call from God, no conviction of sin, nothing like that. I recognised intellectually that I was a sinner in the way that the Bible describes it, and that sin could separate me from God. So I asked for forgiveness of sins through Jesus and offered my life to God. I then trusted that I was saved, told people I was now a Christian, joined a local church and became an active member, prayed and read my Bible regularly, and so on. And never had any confirmation of any kind from God that I was now saved.
Did I have conviction of my sin before I became a Christian? No. I still have no interest in the “wrath to come” because I have no interest in life after death. Not even while I was a Christian was life after death of interest. Not even, years ago, when I was told that I had a brain tumour (which later turned out not to be life-threatening). My family was upset, but it did not affect me at all. No emotions, you see.

To all.
When I started this thread I asked if anyone knew of someone who could help me. Interestingly, only one contributor to this thread has suggested the name of an “expert”. Some have tried, or offered to try for themselves. I am grateful for such offers of support, but I must repeat that many enthusiastic Christians have tried to help me but have eventually realised that their experience is inadequate for this task. It is not a job for an amateur. It requires someone open to the Holy Spirit to receive wisdom and a word of knowledge about me.
Thank you.
 
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losthope said:
But how do I get to know Jesus? Given that I failed to find Jesus when I thought I was a Christian many years ago.
Zeena said:
Stop trying, and just start being!
Zeena said:
God created you for His Love, REST in that Love knowing He will make a way!

Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
Peace, be still!
In Jesus Name.

It sounds good, but to me it is just words. How can I rest in a love that I have not experienced? How can I know that God will make a way, when more than 33 years after I became a Christian I have still no awareness of God or of any way? I have tried waiting and being still. Now I wonder if it is time for action.
By faith and a clean conscience spinkled by the blood of The Christ :D

Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38(Of whom the world was not worthy); they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
 
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losthope,

There is one thing I'd like you to do. Thank God every day for the tiniest, minute, speck of faith you have.
How ever little it is, praise and thank Him for it anyway.

I know this sounds rather rediculous, but I have been led to do this many times when it seemed crazy.

I'm so glad you are reaching out for help. I too, will remember you in my prayers...as several have stated here. You are not alone.

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Mark 4:31-32

31It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: 32But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.
 
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Hello, losthope!

My advice would be to get out there and love some neighbors.

If you want hope, give it to other people; when you see that their hope is fulfilled, it will help you understand your own. Ignore all the superstitions and rituals. Your hope is this:

God is not mad at you. God loves you already. You do not need to do anything to earn this or keep this.

You are already done with that; the problem is not one of realities, but of perceptions and experience. And, it turns out, the best way to feel loved is to love others freely. Feed the hungry, and see whether that doesn't help.

Some people have a much stronger or more direct experience of the Presence than others. If you don't get the experience so much, that doesn't mean God loves you less than them; it just means you have different experiences. Some of my friends are biologically depressive; they have a hard time experiencing reassurances and love from other people, sometimes, so they have to take it on faith that these things are real, even when the experience doesn't seem solid.
 
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