Can anyone explain why...

[Michie]

Many people have been wearing outdoor masks in my area, and this started happening again after the Delta variant hit the news and our hospital filled up again. It tends to be seen as the polite thing to do, especially if you are waiting in line near other people. Perhaps this difference accounts for many of us having different views on how risky this party was.

To me, an event tent does not equate to outdoor ventilation, but I am biased because I use those types of tents for temporary hay shelters and my job had one set up in our parking lot for nearly a year. The actual circulation of air in them depends on a lot of factors, so using one for an evening dance party for 200 uninhibited maskless drunk people mingling in social clusters does not seem like a good idea to me in the wake of what is said to be the most transmissible version of COVID we have seen yet. If vaccination kept people from spreading the virus, then this probably wouldn't matter, but that is not the case anymore and the game has changed. Vaccinated people are getting sick. People who beat COVID the first time around are getting sick again. We need to be more careful now.

I started going back to wearing my mask fairly recently. I’m fully vaccinated but it’s obvious with the variant, etc. we need to remain cautious.

 

[Sparagmos]

Many people have been wearing outdoor masks in my area, and this started happening again after the Delta variant hit the news and our hospital filled up again. It tends to be seen as the polite thing to do, especially if you are waiting in line near other people. Perhaps this difference accounts for many of us having different views on how risky this party was.

To me, an event tent does not equate to outdoor ventilation, but I am biased because I use those types of tents for temporary hay shelters and my job had one set up in our parking lot for nearly a year. The actual circulation of air in them depends on a lot of factors, so using one for an evening dance party for 200 uninhibited maskless drunk people mingling in social clusters does not seem like a good idea to me in the wake of what is said to be the most transmissible version of COVID we have seen yet. If vaccination kept people from spreading the virus, then this probably wouldn't matter, but that is not the case anymore and the game has changed. Vaccinated people are getting sick. People who beat COVID the first time around are getting sick again. We need to be more careful now.

Sure, I wear a mask while waiting in line outside, etc. but the requirement for attendees at Obama’s party to test negative for COVID makes the event much, much safer. Only the small risk of false negative test results remains as far as I can see. So it was an event that is safer than having dinner with your family indoors where no one has been tested and anyone could have picked up COVID at work/ school and not know it yet.

 

[BrAndreyu]

the game has changed

And it's going to keep changing. I don't trust the government to ever give up their emergency Covid19 powers and I think that after the "Delta variant" that they will just be claiming that other greek-alphabet variants exist as an excuse to keep people locked down and the economy in free-fall mode, since this virus is being used to as an excuse to implement the "Great Reset"; where Western nations are going to be reduced to third-world standards of living for the sake of "social justice".

It won't affect the rich though, they'll still be eating meat every day, flying around on private jets, and living the way that the "great unwashed masses" (you & I) used to be able to live prior to the "Great Reset". Eventually we won't even be able to buy appliances anymore because apparently, owning a washing machine or a stove is "racist". We're going to be expected to eternally rent everything that we want to use so that the rich can enrich themselves even more.

It's a bad situation and people need to stand up and fight back while they still have the means and ability to.

 

[rturner76]

I started going back to wearing my mask fairly recently. I’m fully vaccinated but it’s obvious with the variant, etc. we need to remain cautious.

A very rational reaction to the number of cases spiking.

 

[Michie]

A very rational reaction to the number of cases spiking.

I’d like to think so. I do not know what else I can do at this point. We have a family member of my sister in law’s husband that may not pull through. Have you seen this?

Dire Covid situation, need prayers.

 

[BrAndreyu]

I'm just going to wear a construction respirator when I go out from now on, since the Covid19 vaccine that we all had to get is apparently worthless for actually preventing the contraction or spread of the virus. Good thing I didn't pay a dime for it, because I'd want my money back.

 

[Michie]

I'm just going to wear a construction respirator when I go out from now on, since the Covid19 vaccine that we all had to get is apparently worthless for actually preventing the contraction or spread of the virus. Good thing I didn't pay a dime for it, because I'd want my money back.

Well it helps you from getting deathly ill. That’s a plus.

 

[BrAndreyu]

Well it helps you from getting deathly ill.

It depends I guess, according to what I've heard there are people who got the same vaccine that I got that are in the hospital with it. A woman I know got the Pfizer vaccine and ended up having to go to the hospital. She obviously survived, but still... it doesn't do a lot to put my mind at ease and make me think that I made the right choice in getting the vaccine.

and for the record before I'm accused by specific people commenting in this thread: I'm not anti-vaccine at all, I'm just anti-flu shot because every time I've gotten it, I've been sick for a week. If the C19 vaccine is going to be less effective than the flu shot, I have to wonder what the point of getting it was. I'm hearing on the news that people get "breakthrough cases" where they still wind up hospitalized from C19 despite getting the vaccine, and that's what worries me. I have insurance but I definitely don't want to wind up in the hospital.

 

[rturner76]

I’d like to think so. I do not know what else I can do at this point. We have a family member of my sister in law’s husband that may not pull through. Have you seen this?

Dire Covid situation, need prayers.

Yes, there are two cases that have touched my family. One was a marathon runner in his twenties. He died within 36 hours of his first symptoms. That was an in-law. Another in-law had diabetes and other complications that took her down in 3-4 days. Death is so final. I didn't want to risk it either.

 

[Michie]

It depends I guess, according to what I've heard there are people who got the same vaccine that I got that are in the hospital with it. A woman I know got the Pfizer vaccine and ended up having to go to the hospital. She obviously survived, but still... it doesn't do a lot to put my mind at ease and make me think that I made the right choice in getting the vaccine.

and for the record before I'm accused by specific people commenting in this thread: I'm not anti-vaccine at all, I'm just anti-flu shot because every time I've gotten it, I've been sick for a week. If the C19 vaccine is going to be less effective than the flu shot, I have to wonder what the point of getting it was. I'm hearing on the news that people get "breakthrough cases" where they still wind up hospitalized from C19 despite getting the vaccine, and that's what worries me. I have insurance but I definitely don't want to wind up in the hospital.

I get flu vaccinations yearly. I could go into all the reason why they do not make you sick minus allergic reactions or you already had a virus unknowingly, etc. but I won’t. I have worked and volunteered in nursing homes so it’s just second nature to me.

 

[BrAndreyu]

I could go into all the reason why they do not make you sick minus allergic reactions or you already had a virus unknowingly, etc.

The thing is, every time I've gotten the flu shot from CVS, I've gotten sick for a week. When I don't get the flu shot, I don't get sick so there's a chance that maybe I'm just allergic to something in these flu shots? I've never tried getting them from somewhere other than CVS and after the second or third time I got one and was not feeling well enough to work for a week, I stopped getting them.

I don't think that I had the flu virus unknowingly, I don't tend to get sick very often, thank God. I was horrendously sick with something that magically had all of the same symptoms of C19 in November of 2019 though. They never figured out what it was, the doctor ran some tests and couldn't figure it out, so she just said it was "para-influenza". I honestly think it was probably C19 or something remarkably similar to it because there were blood samples taken in California in 2019 that tested positive for C19, but the current media narrative is that nobody in America had C19 prior to March of 2020.

I've never bothered to be tested for the antibodies though, so I don't rightly know what it was I had that November.

 

[rturner76]

It depends I guess, according to what I've heard there are people who got the same vaccine that I got that are in the hospital with it. A woman I know got the Pfizer vaccine and ended up having to go to the hospital. She obviously survived, but still... it doesn't do a lot to put my mind at ease and make me think that I made the right choice in getting the vaccine.

and for the record before I'm accused by specific people commenting in this thread: I'm not anti-vaccine at all, I'm just anti-flu shot because every time I've gotten it, I've been sick for a week. If the C19 vaccine is going to be less effective than the flu shot, I have to wonder what the point of getting it was. I'm hearing on the news that people get "breakthrough cases" where they still wind up hospitalized from C19 despite getting the vaccine, and that's what worries me. I have insurance but I definitely don't want to wind up in the hospital.

I was told about "breakthrough cases" by my doctor and she said that the breakthrough cases are vary rare and the rare cases are even more rarely deadly. But she recommended masking up anyway just to safeguard against those remote possibilities.

I thought "better safe than sorry." I didn't get it right away because I also had reservations about how fast it was made available but that was my gut feeling. After the first round of vaccines for hospital workers and the elderly, I didn't see any real downside statistically. Breakthroughs were happening but it's nowhere near the rate of infection for the unvaccinated.

Still, I had to accept that no amount of reasoning, information, or stats will change people's minds who are set against it.

 

[BrAndreyu]

I thought "better safe than sorry." I didn't get it right away because I also had reservations about how fast it was made available but that was my gut feeling.

I ended up getting it right when it was made available to people in my age group. I was hesitant about getting it though specifically because of how fast it was developed and I had a minor panic attack after the first dose and thought that I was going into shock, but it just turned out to be me being nervous about the possibility of that happening. After I got each dose, I slept for like two days straight though.

I figured since my mom and sister got it and nothing happened to them, that I'd be fine getting it but this was also when the consensus was that it protected you from contracting and spreading the virus, so I figured "If I get this vaccine and don't die as a result, then I won't get the virus" but apparently that's not how it works anymore according to our "experts" (who I think don't actually know as much about the virus as they say that they do, and are just pulling things out of their rear-ends to keep people from panicking because if people panic, a revolution or a civil war might take place).

 

[rturner76]

I ended up getting it right when it was made available to people in my age group. I was hesitant about getting it though specifically because of how fast it was developed and I had a minor panic attack after the first dose and thought that I was going into shock, but it just turned out to be me being nervous about the possibility of that happening. After I got each dose, I slept for like two days straight though.

I figured since my mom and sister got it and nothing happened to them, that I'd be fine getting it but this was also when the consensus was that it protected you from contracting and spreading the virus, so I figured "If I get this vaccine and don't die as a result, then I won't get the virus" but apparently that's not how it works anymore according to our "experts" (who I think don't actually know as much about the virus as they say that they do, and are just pulling things out of their rear-ends to keep people from panicking because if people panic, a revolution or a civil war might take place).

Yeah that was former President Trump's reason for downplaying the seriousness of the virus. I tend to believe that "cooler heads will prevail." Meaning, even if there were violent demonstrations or revolutions.civil war etc. I have a feeling that between the Fed, state and local police, and military reserves/National Guard, they could enforce a curfew in most areas but the most remote.

 

[BrAndreyu]

I have a feeling that between the Fed, state and local police, and military reserves/National Guard, they could enforce a curfew in most areas but the most remote.

Depends on how many people were out in the streets rioting and then you have to factor in how many were armed and would be shooting at police, natl guard, etc. It happens all of the time in other countries, it could very well happen here if things got bad enough, particularly if food or gasoline were scarce. The thing that the government doesn't tell you, is that they can't kill everyone, because they A) don't have enough manpower B) Don't want to destroy their own infrastructure (so they wouldn't use drones or cruise missiles) and C) Government actually depends on the populace to be able to continue existing. I listen to this podcast that's gone into depth about what the contingency plans were during the cold war in the case of even a limited nuclear exchange. It's a lot more difficult to maintain order in a true crisis scenario than government tells you that it is, because they depend on the people believing that they can in fact maintain order in order to do so. If food or gasoline became scarce, especially in today's day and age, I don't think that any amount of national guard or LEOs would be of much value because the United States is a very spread out country. They'd be able to keep the cities most likely and would focus on this, but the countryside would turn against them and eventually, wear down the cities. This is what happened in the Cuban communist revolution and Cuba is nowhere near the size of the USA.

One thing to remember is that there are always less LEOs and whatnot than there are angry citizens. If food, potable water, and gasoline were to become scarce this country would disintegrate in a week. Our ability to keep people pacified with reality television, McFood, pornography, alcohol & marijuana (where it is legal), etc is really the only thing that the power structure has going for it because a large amount of people aren't buying into the narrative anymore. The riots of last summer proved that and there is always the chance that they could get bigger, but the elite class' survival depends on keeping the country divided and there isn't really a more powerful way to unite people to seriously mess some stuff up than hunger and thirst.

 

[rturner76]

Depends on how many people were out in the streets rioting and then you have to factor in how many were armed and would be shooting at police, natl guard, etc. It happens all of the time in other countries, it could very well happen here if things got bad enough, particularly if food or gasoline were scarce. The thing that the government doesn't tell you, is that they can't kill everyone, because they A) don't have enough manpower B) Don't want to destroy their own infrastructure (so they wouldn't use drones or cruise missiles) and C) Government actually depends on the populace to be able to continue existing. I listen to this podcast that's gone into depth about what the contingency plans were during the cold war in the case of even a limited nuclear exchange. It's a lot more difficult to maintain order in a true crisis scenario than government tells you that it is, because they depend on the people believing that they can in fact maintain order in order to do so. If food or gasoline became scarce, especially in today's day and age, I don't think that any amount of national guard or LEOs would be of much value because the United States is a very spread out country. They'd be able to keep the cities most likely and would focus on this, but the countryside would turn against them and eventually, wear down the cities. This is what happened in the Cuban communist revolution and Cuba is nowhere near the size of the USA.

One thing to remember is that there are always less LEOs and whatnot than there are angry citizens. If food, potable water, and gasoline were to become scarce this country would disintegrate in a week. Our ability to keep people pacified with reality television, McFood, pornography, alcohol & marijuana (where it is legal), etc is really the only thing that the power structure has going for it because a large amount of people aren't buying into the narrative anymore. The riots of last summer proved that and there is always the chance that they could get bigger, but the elite class' survival depends on keeping the country divided and there isn't really a more powerful way to unite people to seriously mess some stuff up than hunger and thirst.

It is possible that the government could lose control of some areas, especially in rural America. However, I believe the average citizen wants peace and would follow instructions during a crisis. We can all come up with a doomsday scenario of choice. My favorite is the zombie apocalypse from all of these vaccinations changing our DNA and turning us into monsters. I hestiated on the vaccine for a few weeks with that real fear in my mind. Then I had to take a look at is this vaccine helping people or hurting them. I think the evidence shows that vaccinated people are surviving this pandemic at a much higher percentage than the unvaccinated. That's an important thing to consider or weigh against the "what-ifs." Because at the end of the day, what if the supervolcano under Yosemite blows? We are pretty much all dead but a few who really prepared for anything and live in Austrailia.