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Can a Protestant go to Confession?

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First, interpretation scripture is the duty of the Church.

CCC#82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."

Secondly, the answer to the original questions is yes. I've seen it happen...more than once. Now, would a priest knowing administer the sacrament, no, however, God's grace is own and the Holy Spirit works in ways beyond our understanding.

All for Jesus through Mary
 
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pewrocker said:
Secondly, the answer to the original questions is yes. I've seen it happen...more than once. Now, would a priest knowing administer the sacrament, no, however, God's grace is own and the Holy Spirit works in ways beyond our understanding.

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Well the first question the priest is going to ask is "How long has it been since your last confession?" When the protestant says this is their first confession, I'm sure the Priest is going to ask why (especialy if said is an older person). At that time he will learn that said person is not Catholic.

Like as said before, the priest can offer counciling and advice but can not offer the sacrament of penance to them.
 
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Cary.Melvin said:
Well the first question the priest is going to ask is "How long has it been since your last confession?" When the protestant says this is their first confession, I'm sure the Priest is going to ask why (especialy if said is an older person). At that time he will learn that said person is not Catholic.

Like as said before, the priest can offer counciling and advice but can not offer the sacrament of penance to them.
And if the Protestant were to fool the priest (intentionally or unintentionally) even if the priest were to say the words of absoultion, it still would not be a sacrament and they would still not receive absolution as they do not believe it is a sacrament . .

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pentecostal girl said:
John 20:22-23
"And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Recieve ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit; they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain; they are retained."

To ME this verse means that if someone sins against me or hurts me somehow(talking about me, being cruel to me, etc..) than I can forgive them and they will be forgiven by me. I don't interpret as God giving man the power to absolve sins. Did I make any sense? I'm not very good at explaining myself:( If you have any more questions about a protestanst view on this, feel free to ask! I'll try hard to answer your questions the best I can ;)

But the dialogue of Christ with them gives it away. He breathes on them and says “as the father sent me, so I send you.” We call this the divine commission. He gave that to His apostles, not to all of us. He says to them “receive ye the Holy Ghost whose sin you forgive and forgiven whose sins you retain are retained.” That is pretty clear cut.

I heard another reformed person interpret it to mean that a pastor has the authority to say who is saved and who isn't. That is very off the wall to me.
 
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pentecostal girl said:
John 20:22-23 "And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost Whose soever sins ye remit; they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain; they are retained."

He breathed on them???

What does breathing on something mean in the Sacred Scriptures?

Isn't it the communication of some dynamic power?

pentecostal girl said:
To ME this verse means that if someone sins against me or hurts me somehow (talking about me, being cruel to me, etc..) than I can forgive them and they will be forgiven by me.

Do you mean that Jesus, at this point in time -of all times!- has now decided to give you an OPTION to forgive or not forgive?

It seems to me that we should look at this verse in context. This episode occurs on the day of the Resurrection. Jesus has risen from the dead. He goes to see His apostles, most of whom He has not seen since Thursday night. They were in hiding because they were afraid. They have been heart-sick for the past few days. He walks thru the door. He says "Shalom", the normal Jewish greeting, but perhaps, considering the context, it means much more. He then tells the apostles that, as the Father had sent Him, He now sends them. He is giving them a mission, a mandate to do something. Then He "breathes on them". He is communicating some dynamic 'thing'. What is it?

Could it be that He is giving them the authority to bring his Victory over sin to the world? Last thing He had said on the cross was "it is finished". Some say that meant that His mission was accomplished. He had paid the price for Sin.

Catholics have no problem seeing it that way. NonCatholics have been told that the Catholic position is absurd. So, maybe it is hard for nonCaths to look at these verses with a mind OPEN to the possibilty that what Catholics, Orthodox and Anglicans see here might possibly be true.

Of course, the idea of telling your sins to another human person repulses many people, even though elsewhere in the NT, it is clear that this is exactly what God says to do. Actually, in reality it is a very positive experience. By HUMBLY admitting our sinfulness, we are giving ourselves the antidote to the PRIDE (putting our will ahead of God's will) of sin. And how can the Apostles forgive or retain sins, if they don't know what they are? (Jesus did not make them psychics.)

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I don't interpret this as God giving man the power to absolve sins.

He did not ever give this power to anyone other than the Apostles. He never said anything like this to anyone else. To you and me, He said "Forgive". Period. To the apostles He said "Forgive or Retain". Is He giving them the option of not going by the rule we are all supposed to follow? Or is it possible that He is talking about something else? Could it possibly be that Catholics -of all people- are actually right? Were your own ancestors were right when they confessed their sins to a priest? (Remember that most nonCatholic Christians have more Catholic ancestors than nonCatholic ancestors.)

Could your Catholic ancestors have been right and the people who tell you that Jesus could not have given such power and authority to men are just wrong, because they have not looked at these verses with minds open to the possibility that Catholics, Orthodox and Anglicans are right?

If Jesus did do as we Catholics think He did, does He have such power? Authority?
No matter what nonCath "Teachers" say?

Do you see the points I'm trying to make, pg?

Why did He "breathe on them"?

I really would like to know what you think.

You said you would try to answer and I hope you do.
 
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thereselittleflower said:
And if the Protestant were to fool the priest (intentionally or unintentionally) even if the priest were to say the words of absoultion, it still would not be a sacrament and they would still not receive absolution as they do not believe it is a sacrament . .

Therese, it really doesn't matter what they believe. The priest does not have the power to absolve the sins of nonCatholics except in very specific situations. A priest has this 'power' (potentia) but not the 'authority' (potestas') in the case you mention.
 
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Michelina,

Hey it's me again :wave: O.k to answer some of your questions ;)


He breathed on them???


The verse prior to that says "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you."

From MY interpretaion, Jesus is telling his disciples to go out spread that good news about Him. While Jesus was on earth, what did he do?
Then next verse says,"And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them , Recieve ye the Holy Ghost:"

When he "breathed on them" I believe he was annointing them with the Holy Spirit. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit? To help us in our walk with Jesus. The Holy Spirit guides us, and helps us have a closer relationship with Him ;) I think it would have been hard for the apostles to perserve, without the Holy Spirit to help them .

Do you mean that Jesus, at this point in time -of all times!- has now decided to give you an OPTION to forgive or not forgive?
Jesus did give us free will. I'm not saying that we should not forgive, but we can choose to not forgive someone.

If Jesus did do as we Catholics think He did, does He have such power? Authority?
Jesus has that power, afterall He is the one who paid the price.

He did not ever give this power to anyone other than the Apostles.
Then how does your priest have this power?

I'm not by any means saying that you are wrong, cause we all interpret things differently.

Of course, the idea of telling your sins to another human person repulses many people, even though elsewhere in the NT, it is clear that this is exactly what God says to do.
Where is this verse located?
 
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Shelb5 said:
The only other time God breathed on anything is when He created the world.
When God breathed on them He gave them life? correct? Have you ever heard the saying "Dead Man Walking?" In Gal. 2:20 it says "I have been crucifed with Christ and I no longer live but Christ lives in me." When he "breathed" (John 20:22-23) on the apostles, he was giving them life. A life in Jesus;) Does that make sense? If not I'll try to reword it :cool:

Hope God keeps blessing:prayer:
 
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pentecostal girl said:
When God breathed on them He gave them life? correct? Have you ever heard the saying "Dead Man Walking?" In Gal. 2:20 it says "I have been crucifed with Christ and I no longer live but Christ lives in me." When he "breathed" (John 20:22-23) on the apostles, he was giving them life. A life in Jesus;) Does that make sense? If not I'll try to reword it :cool:

Hope God keeps blessing:prayer:
On target, but we can pin it down even further than that. In the Old Testament is the Hebrew word ruach (the final "ch" is pronounced like Scottish Loch, not a "chew cherries" sound); in the New Testament and in the Septuagint (Greek O.T.) the parallel Greek word is pneuma. Both words have a breadth of meaning that was interconnected in Jewish and Greek minds -- they mean "wind," they mean "breath," and they mean "spirit." And picking the English word to translate them is a matter of figuring it out from context which meaning is topmost -- but all three meanings can be conveyed. In Genesis 1:2, one clause is usually translated as "The spirit of God was hovering..." but an equally accurate rendering in the modern versions is "A mighty wind from God was moving..." And then in Genesis 2:7 the exact same word is used for "God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life..."

When Jesus breathes on the Apostles, He is investing them with God's spirit, and John could not have made it any clearer in the original Greek. It's that the three words that translate the same Hebrew and Greek word don't seem connected to us, that gives us a problem understanding this.

There's a lovely old hymn that picks up on this, addressed to the Holy Spirit, that combines what I've said and what pentecostal girl has said into one:
Breathe on me, Breath of God,
Fill me with life anew,
That I may love what thou dost love,
and do what thou wouldst do.
 
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pentecostal girl said:
The verse prior to that says "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you. From MY interpretaion, Jesus is telling his disciples to go out spread that good news about Him.

Jesus does not mention the good news here. He speaks of "forgiving or not forgiving".

pentecostal girl said:
Then next verse says,"And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them , Recieve ye the Holy Ghost. When he "breathed on them" I believe he was annointing them with the Holy Spirit.

pentecostal girl said:
What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit? To help us in our walk with Jesus. The Holy Spirit guides us, and helps us have a closer relationship with Him ;) I think it would have been hard for the apostles to perserve, without the Holy Spirit to help them.

The Holy Spirit descended on them 50 days later. I agree that He is annointing them, but after breathing on them and saying Receive the Holy Spirit, He says "whose sins you shall forgive...etc". He does not say anything about the function of the Holy Spirit in the Church, to help us in our walk and perserverance. Is that mentioned HERE? Could Jesus possibly be speaking of something else.

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Jesus did give us free will. I'm not saying that we should not forgive, but we can choose to not forgive someone.

Not with His approval, pg. But if you don't want to see that His words might possibly be saying something else, then no one can force you to do so. ....Would Jesus have the authority to say what Caths think He means in these verses? the power? If you say No, then you cannot see the meaning we see there. So, you would have to look for some other meaning. But why would Jesus mention that we have free will and can choose to forgive or not to forgive, at THIS rather dramatic moment? Well, if you refuse to believe that Catholics might possibly be right, no one can force you to do so.

pentecostal girl said:
I'm not by any means saying that you are wrong, cause we all interpret things differently.

We do 'interpret things differently'. Is there a 'correct' interpretation? Or, is it like John prefers BK and Jim prefers McD? Is it a question of taste or a question of Truth? We Catholics, for some reason, believe that Jesus wants us to know the Truth, with certainty. That's why He gave us a Church, which alone has the function of interpretation. We actually believe that. You obviously do not.

Thanks for answering my questions, pg. I appreciate all the time you have spent in retyping what you had said before you read my questions. May God bless you on your 'walk'. Maybe someday you'll have a different interpretation. But that won't happen until you are really Open to the possibility that what we believe is true. Then you can give us a truly fair hearing.
 
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Michelina,
I have a bad feeling this going to turn into a debate, so I'll refrain from answering you last post. I may not agree with your beliefs, but I do respect them ;) Hope God keeps blessing you over and over again:prayer:
 
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pentecostal girl said:
Michelina,
I have a bad feeling this going to turn into a debate, so I'll refrain from answering you last post. I may not agree with your beliefs, but I do respect them ;) Hope God keeps blessing you over and over again:prayer:

Thanks, pg, I know that God will continue to bless your good heart.

Love and Prayers,
Michelina
 
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