Can a Homosexual be Saved ?

[DiscipleDave]

Most certainly. It is not a sin for a person to love another person. this is not against God, It is not a sin for any person to love anyone.
Is it a sin for a man to love a man ? Heavens NO
Is it a sin for a woman to love a woman ? Heavens NO
Is it a sin for a man to love a woman ? Heavens NO
Is it a sin for a woman to love a man ? Heavens NO

None of these are sinful. But the act of sexual intercoarse with someone not your spouse is a sin against God and is an abomination with God. A man having sexual relations with a woman that is not his wife is sinful and is against God, for they are not married. A man having sexual relations with another man, not being married is sinful and is against God. a woman having sexual relations with another woman not being married, is against God and is sinful.

Two men live together, they love each other a great deal, they do not have sex because it is evil in the eyes of God. Does sex define their love for each other ? No, they love each other not because of the sex, but because they love each others company and companionship, in this it is not evil nor against God, and they can live together not in sin.

Two men live together, they love each other a great deal, they do have sexual relations, and this is evil in the eyes of God, for they do those things which are contrary to Scriptures.

Why does this generation believe in order for a person to love another person, sex MUST be involved. Sex does not define the love between two people, Two people can love each other dearly without ever having a sexual relationship, sex does not define LOVE.

Many people claim " How can it be wrong to love another person " ITS NOT, it only becomes wrong when sex is included into that relationship.

Is it wrong for a brother to love his sister ? No its not
Is it wrong for a man to love another man ? No its not
But it becomes wrong when the brother and sister add sex into the relationship, just as it is wrong for the man to love a man by adding sex into the relationship.

Is it evil to be a Heterosexual ?
Is it evil to be a Homosexual ?
These only define to whom a person is attracted too, being attracted to a specific sex is not sinful, nor is it a sin to be attracted to another, It only becomes sinful when sex is added into the equation, regardless if you are Hetero or Homosexual.

Yes a Homosexual can be Saved, Just as a Heterosexual can be Saved as well.

IN His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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[davedjy]

If you are gay, sex is still an important part of the relationship. Again, 450 Vertebrate species born gay, bi, lesbian and transgender.

It is a sin for a gay person to live a heterosexual lifestyle. Period.

Get to know the facts about homosexuality:

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

 

[RMDY]

If you are gay, sex is still an important part of the relationship. Again, 450 Vertebrate species born gay, bi, lesbian and transgender.

It is a sin for a gay person to live a heterosexual lifestyle. Period.

Get to know the facts about homosexuality:

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

MYTH #1: The Bible condemns homosexuality & same-gender relationships. FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.

I have an ethiopian friend who fluently understands Hebrew and has a jewish background. He is a christian who is christ-like. He told me himself homosexuality is a sin.

Messaic christians and any Jew will tell you homosexuality is a sin.

Even several homosexuals on this forum will agree that leviticus, an old jewish law, forbids sex between people of the same sex but that it is not logical in today's society and doesn't apply to them.



The word "homosexual" may or may not appear in old manuscripts, but Paul most-likely understood Greek and understood what the word "homosexual meant." Paul was also a former zealot pharasee that would know the old Jewish laws as best as one could know them. Jesus himself, a Jew, who knew and studies Jewish law and stories ever since he was twelve years old, preached against sexual immorality and clearly understood how leviticus18 defined unlawful sexual relations as immoral.
Leviticus18, a chapter within the bible, declares having sex with someone of the same gender as unlawful, therefore sexually immoral. Jesus himself preached against lawlessness, and said he came to affirm the law and not destroy it. Remember, one is only saved through Christ, by his blood and the law condemns us.




Do you remember what Jesus said? There are two commandments: Love God and Love others. He said that all The Law and The Prophets hang on these two commandments. Notice he also said "The Law"

MYTH #2: The Old Testament teaches that God destroyed an entire city because of homosexuality.
FACT: Even a cursory reading of the story of Sodom in Genesis 18 &19 makes this myth ludicrous. First of all, in Genesis Chapter 18, God appears to have decided to destroy the city before the infamous "homosexual" act with angels was attempted.

The people of the city committed many different sinful acts. Homosexuality was part of the problem, but not the only problem.

However, God promised Abraham that He would not destroy the city if there were at least 10 righteous people (gender is not specified)living within its city limits (Gen 18:32). The fact that the city was destroyed means that not even 10 righteous people, male or female, could be found. To assume that every remaining person was a homosexual is absurd. In Chapter 19, verses 4 and 5, we are told that "the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out that we may know them.’" The NRSV says "the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. The idea that every single man in the entire city was a homosexual is preposterous.

It is believable. First of all, Enemy Part II herself once explained that at some points in history, greek cities practices homosexuality more than hetrosexuality. The biblical story clearly says all the men surrounded the house, but you choose to not believe it.

Furthermore, in over 40 references to Sodom in the Scriptures, not one of these makes specific reference to homosexuality.

Are you blind? The passage clearly shows they are homosexual or wanted to commit acts of homosexual rape.

Hence the passage in the New International Version:
Genesis 19:4-5
"Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom -- both young and old --- surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

This makes a clear reference to homosexuality.

If homosexuality were the "sin of Sodom," you would think that there would be at least one!

The above passage shows one of the sins Sodom was trying to commit, but like I said before, it wasn't the only reason why Soddom was destroyed.

In fact, there is one very specific reference to what Sodom’s sin actually was: Ezekiel 16:49,50 says, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen" (NIV).

Did you not read "They were haughty and did detestable things before me"?

Leviticus, a law given by God himself to Moses, defines unlawful sexual relations between a man that has sex with another men as detestable. Read Leviticus18. See, Moses law was a physical manifest as to what God considered to be sinful. If you read earlier in Genesis, God still was against people eating blood and murder. In The Flood, God wiped away the sins of mankind because they were too great.

If homosexuality was the "sin of Sodom," this was Ezekiel’s perfect opportunity to declare that fact and he blew it!

He didn't blew it. In fact, homosexuality is a greek word that better defined what acts of homosexuality were. The bible calls acts of homosexuality, as listed in God's Law of Leviticus18, as detestable. For Ezekiel to say God is against detestable practices is accurate and bang on.

MYTH #3: The Bible calls homosexuality an "abomination."
FACT: Because biblical exegesis of Old Testament Law and the word "abomination" is beyond the scope of this tract, let it suffice to say that what is interpreted as "abomination," where homosexuality is concerned, is also made in reference to eating seafood without fins or scales and several other dietary and ceremonial laws. (See Leviticus 11:10,12). So the next time someone spouts off to you, that being in a loving, caring, intimate relationship with another human being who happens to be the same gender is an "abomination," remind them that according to Old Testament Law, so is eating a bowl of clam chowder!

yes, but have you not read that Paul and others preach that it is fine to do so, to eat sea food? Have you also not read what the early apostles preached in acts15, what Jesus preached about concerning sexual immorality and how he came to affirm the law with a new convenant regarding the forgiveness of sins?
We transgress the law. Were not above or below it. You seem to forget that. We are obligated to a new convenant, which saves us by the blood of Jesus and we are to take up our cross, follow him and keep his commandments.

God calls acts of same-gender-sex as detestable and it falls into line with detestable acts of Soddom as well as what the prophets said about Soddom: They committed detestable acts. Jesus preaches against lawlessness and sexual immorality. Paul and the early church preached against detestable acts of homosexuality.

MYTH #4: Not just the Old Testament, but the New Testament also condemns homosexuality.
FACT: It is interesting, to say the least, that despite homosexuality being looked on as the "vilest of sins," as it is so often referred to, Jesus never mentioned it!

Jesus was a jew who had learned about the law since he was twelve. he didn't come to reteach the law or abolish it, but to affirm it. He came to not change the way things were considered sinful, but to free us from the old convenant system of forgiving sins and worship so that we may follow God by inscribing the Law within our hearts and love others and preach the good news.

Jesus did mention homosexuality! He mentioned it by preaching against sexual immorality as something one must abstain from! Remember Jesus said he came to do the Fathers will? Who is the Father? Father is the same individual who gave Moses the Law at Mount Sinai. He himself declared acts of homosexuality to be detestable. Jesus didn't come and then declare to go forth and be fruitful by committing immorality and what God would declare to be detestable in his eyes. God sent his only begotten son so he could show us the way and be sacrificed, so you and I could have a new covenant and a way to forgiveness and eternal life through his blood.

MYTH #5: The Bible has no references to same-gender intimacy, and it teaches that physical affection between persons of the same gender is "unnatural."

This is true. Jesus personally makes reference to Genesis and says that in the beginning God made man male and female and makes reference to this on the topic of marriage and divorce. It all goes back to what God said earlier to Moses about unlawful sexual relations.



You know what. I am going to stop reading your article. I can find solutions to everything it considers to be a "myth" The article is misleading and does not make mention to a lot of things I have been saying from what God has already declared through His Law or through the Prophets and fails to mention some things Jesus himself said as well as the early church apostles.

Enemy Part II herself declared to me that she affirms that God labels acts of homosexuality as detestable and a sin, but she believes there is no logic to it, and therefore it doesn't apply to her in modern day times.

It all comes down to the fact whether you can accept the Bible for what it is or not.

 

[davedjy]

The article is so misleading that I have been healed of my stomach and anxiety problems as a direct result of recovering from anti-gay doctrine.

 

[RMDY]

The article is so misleading that I have been healed of my stomach and anxiety problems as a direct result of recovering from anti-gay doctrine.

pro-gay doctrine permitted same-sex marriage and acts of homosexuality is a sin and detestable. Jesus told us to love one another, but not in acts of immorality.

 

[davedjy]

pro-gay doctrine permitted same-sex marriage and acts of homosexuality is a sin and detestable. Jesus told us to love one another, but not in acts of immorality.

You have to come with scriptural proof of which you speak. The words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" do not exist in the original Hebrew and Greek. False translations do exist tho! again, you are not armed to debate, you do not have backings of which you speak in your post.

 

[RMDY]

You have to come with scriptural proof of which you speak. The words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" do not exist in the original Hebrew and Greek. False translations do exist tho! again, you are not armed to debate, you do not have backings of which you speak in your post.

It comes down to what God labeled a detestable act. Are you telling me that God doesn't label those who "men who lie with other men the same way as lieing with a women" in a sexual relation detestable?

 

[UberLutheran]

Perhaps the question should be:

Do we really care if a homosexual can be saved or not?

Do we really want "those people" around us?

And how can we keep us in the church and "those people" out?

Because honestly — that's certainly the impression I've been getting from several folks on this board, for quite some time: a big, loud
WE DON'T WANT YOU UNLESS YOU CHANGE TO OUR (or rather, God's) SATISFACTION.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

A) Can a heterosexual be saved?

B) Why this preoccupation with the salvation status of others. Do you not trust God to take care of things in the way God chooses?

If one feels one must save a poor lost soul, why not minister to that person with love and care?

Why not engage them in conversation about life in general?

Why not lend them a helping hand at the church rummage sale?

Why not befriend them and stop bashing them over the head with the Bible?

 

[SwordOfGod]

Are you blind? The passage clearly shows they are homosexual or wanted to commit acts of homosexual rape.

lol, do tell. If it had been men wanting to rape female angels, would you claim that their wish rape CLEARLY shows God's distaste for heterosexuality?

 

[Bianca87]

Why does this generation believe in order for a person to love another person, sex MUST be involved. Sex does not define the love between two people, Two people can love each other dearly without ever having a sexual relationship, sex does not define LOVE.

well, to love your parents, children, dog, uncle doesn't have to do whit sex, but sexual attraction is what makes the differance between all these kind of love and the romantic one. what is the differance between two chaste partners and two friensd?
besides, what about married gay couples?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

A) Can a heterosexual be saved?

B) Why this preoccupation with the salvation status of others. Do you not trust God to take care of things in the way God chooses?

If one feels one must save a poor lost soul, why not minister to that person with love and care?

Why not engage them in conversation about life in general?

Why not lend them a helping hand at the church rummage sale?

Why not befriend them and stop bashing them over the head with the Bible?

Why that would take all the fun out it I always envision a pharasee dressed in his robes looking haughtily down upon what he percieves to be a subhuman species and loudly quoting scripture with the smug assurance that only he is worthy of Gods Love and Heaven.

 

[CShephard53]

You have to come with scriptural proof of which you speak. The words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" do not exist in the original Hebrew and Greek. False translations do exist tho! again, you are not armed to debate, you do not have backings of which you speak in your post.

He comes totally shooting down most of the site you quipped at us. And you chose to call it anti-gay junk. If you're going to ignore his argument by labeling it and not arguing against it, go for it. But don't suggest he does not know how to debate.

 

[davedjy]

He comes totally shooting down most of the site you quipped at us. And you chose to call it anti-gay junk. If you're going to ignore his argument by labeling it and not arguing against it, go for it. But don't suggest he does not know how to debate.

Shooting it down? that did not shoot down even one myth on there. Your post does not contribute in the least to this thread, as you have not even:

1) stated a debate point on why
2) equipped us with the details of how that site was "shot down"


Try again.

 

[DiscipleDave]

A) Can a heterosexual be saved?

B) Why this preoccupation with the salvation status of others. Do you not trust God to take care of things in the way God chooses?

We trust God that is why we have a preoccupation with the salvation status of others, as you should be also, but apparently are not, being that you are saying what you are saying making that apparent. We Trust God that Scriptures is True, and that Many will not enter into Life, but Many will enter into death, We trust God that only a few will find that narrow and difficult path that leads to life. Therefore if you know where this path is, and how to get on it, why would you not inform others also, so that they may get of the wide path and get on the path that leads to righteousness, please please read:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5384420-dream-vision-that-changed-my-life.html

it is a dream/vision that i had, concerning what we are discussing now, why i am preoccupied with Salvation of others.

If one feels one must save a poor lost soul, why not minister to that person with love and care?

Giving love and care to a person that is not Saved, will not save Him, for even devil worshippers love and care for their own. If then you Truly loved them and truly care for them, you would try to save their souls from hell fire, no matter how they feel back towards you.

Why not engage them in conversation about life in general?

You can engage them in conversation for 100 years and they still can burn in Hell for all eternity, what have you did for them then? Talking about life in general does not change a persons heart, nor the condition of thier spiritual walk, the only thing it will do is make a friend. And as i said before you can be friends with this person for a hundred years, and if all you did was talk about life in general, and they are not Saved, they will burn in Hell for all eternity, wandering why you being Saved, did not tell them these things, so that they may have repented and turn from their ways and not go to Hell.

Why not lend them a helping hand at the church rummage sale?

we are to help all that are in need regardless if they are Saved or not

Why not befriend them and stop bashing them over the head with the Bible?

Let me tell you a story. There was a person named Mike who looked at porn all the time without ceasing, and he had two friends, Bill and Ted. Now both Bill and Ted know the Truth of the Bible, but Bill just wanted to be friends with Mike, and did not want to ruffle his feathers or make him mad. So Mike liked Bill and they were good friends. Now you see Ted on the other hand loved Mike and he wanted Mike to go to Heaven with Him, so Ted would always go up to Mike and thump him on the head with his Bible, teaching him about the Bible, in hopes that he would repent and cease from doing those things that are against the Bible. Ted would pray for Mike continually. Mike did not like Ted very much because Ted was a Bible thumper. Mike said that Ted was teaching hate and other things Mike would say about Ted.
JUDGEMENT DAY
Ted stands before God, and He says enter into my rest, though faithful and good servant, for you have done well in your life, even though people treated you bad.
Then Jesus looks over at Bill and asks " You knew it was wrong for Mike to look at porn, why did you not say anything to him? " Bill said nothing at all, for he knew why he did not say anything at all, because he did not want to upset his friend Mike. And Jesus said to Bill, because you said nothing, you condoned his sin and took part with his sins, go thou be with him.
Now in Hell as Mike is screaming in pain and in torment from satans demons continually striking him, he sees Bill coming into Hell and runs to him, and yells " i thought you were my friend " Bill replies, what do you mean?, as h now also starts to feel the pains of Hell. Mike yells " Why didn't you tell me, that looking at porn was adultery that looking at others having sex and the like, and me lusting was against God, and made me an adulterer, why didn't you tell me, you were my friend and did you not know this, why did you not tell me? Bill can't anwser now, his own screaming prevented him from ever hearing Mike again. Mike then screams " Only if i would have listened to Ted, who was only trying to help me, who was trying to get me to do the right thing, who was trying to prevent me from coming to this wretched place, he more then Bill was my true friend, i wish i would have listened to him.

Therefore if you Truly loved someone, and you know what they are doing, whatever that may be, will prevent them from going to Heaven, then if you loved that person you would say something, in hopes that they will repent and cease from doing those things, and join you in Heaven.

Therefore any man that has sex with another man and continues to do so, will not enter into Heaven, this is what Scriptures teach, therefore because i care for them and everyone, i will say something to them, in hopes they will not be like Mike above, that they will repent and cease from doing those things and save their souls from Hell. Now there are many people who are like Bill, know that it is bad yet say nothing at all, these if they Truly loved them, would in fact say something too. What kind of person would say nothing to prevent someone from going to Hell ????? Where is love then ?
If then you love, and desire others to go to Heaven, if you see them do things which will prevent them from going, you would say something to them, if you loved them. Leave it to this generation of the last days to say it is hate, the very opposite of what it acually is.
Many are called but only a few are chosen.
Many accept Christ as their Savior and Lord, but only a few will be planted in good ground.

IN His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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[ChaliceThunder]

Too long a post to tackle all at once - so I will do it in bits.

We trust God that is why we have a preoccupation with the salvation status of others ...

Apparently not. If you trust God, you should know that the salvation of others has nothing to do with you. God is perfectly capable of saving me, and even you!

We Trust God that Scriptures is True, and that Many will not enter into Life, but Many will enter into death, We trust God that only a few will find that narrow and difficult path that leads to life. Therefore if you know where this path is, and how to get on it, why would you not inform others also, so that they may get of the wide path and get on the path that leads to righteousness,

Brother, I am glad you have walked the path that you have walked. Obviously it's been fruitful for you. Do you not realize that there are millions of us who walk that path as well, but find no need to make others walk the steps exactly the way we do? Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God.

please please read:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5384420-dream-vision-that-changed-my-life.html

...later

 

[ChaliceThunder]

it is a dream/vision that i had, concerning what we are discussing now, why i am preoccupied with Salvation of others.

The scriptures are very clear when they say to WORK OUT YOUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling.

Giving love and care to a person that is not Saved, will not save Him, for even devil worshippers love and care for their own. If then you Truly loved them and truly care for them, you would try to save their souls from hell fire, no matter how they feel back towards you.

I am left wondering if this is noble or if it is more of an ego trip. Your words seem to indicate that you are positive that your interpretation of Scripture is it...anybody who differs from you is wrong and hell-bound. (and honest wondering - I make no assumptions about you, brother)

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
We trust God that is why we have a preoccupation with the salvation status of others ...

Apparently not. If you trust God, you should know that the salvation of others has nothing to do with you. God is perfectly capable of saving me, and even you!

you do error if you think God is the one that saves us, if that were the case, God would save all of us, for He desires that all be Saved, He does not make one saved, we with our free will choose to be Saved or no Saved, it is up to us, even though He gives it to us for Free, we have to be willing to accept it and live by it. Know you not that we are to :

2Tm:4:2: Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

You see then how Scriptures teach us to do this, but we hear you saying to not do this. Shouldn't we obey Scriptures instead of men?

IN His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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[ChaliceThunder]

You can engage them in conversation for 100 years and they still can burn in Hell for all eternity, what have you did for them then?

Again, I could be wrong about this. But you appear to not trust God enough to take care of things.

Talking about life in general does not change a persons heart, nor the condition of thier spiritual walk, the only thing it will do is make a friend.

Then, my friend, with all due respect - you have much to learn. (as do I...but I DO know for a fact that engaging one in conversation is an excellent starting point. Our Lord did this all the time.

And as i said before you can be friends with this person for a hundred years, and if all you did was talk about life in general, and they are not Saved, they will burn in Hell for all eternity, wandering why you being Saved, did not tell them these things, so that they may have repented and turn from their ways and not go to Hell.

I would never tell somebody they were hell-bound.
I preach the GOOD news.

we are to help all that are in need regardless if they are Saved or not

Here we agree completely!

Let me tell you a story. There was a person named Mike who looked at porn all the time without ceasing, and he had two friends, Bill and Ted. Now both Bill and Ted know the Truth of the Bible, but Bill just wanted to be friends with Mike, and did not want to ruffle his feathers or make him mad. So Mike liked Bill and they were good friends. Now you see Ted on the other hand loved Mike and he wanted Mike to go to Heaven with Him, so Ted would always go up to Mike and thump him on the head with his Bible, teaching him about the Bible, in hopes that he would repent and cease from doing those things that are against the Bible. Ted would pray for Mike continually. Mike did not like Ted very much because Ted was a Bible thumper. Mike said that Ted was teaching hate and other things Mike would say about Ted.
JUDGEMENT DAY
Ted stands before God, and He says enter into my rest, though faithful and good servant, for you have done well in your life, even though people treated you bad.
Then Jesus looks over at Bill and asks " You knew it was wrong for Mike to look at porn, why did you not say anything to him? " Bill said nothing at all, for he knew why he did not say anything at all, because he did not want to upset his friend Mike. And Jesus said to Bill, because you said nothing, you condoned his sin and took part with his sins, go thou be with him.
Now in Hell as Mike is screaming in pain and in torment from satans demons continually striking him, he sees Bill coming into Hell and runs to him, and yells " i thought you were my friend " Bill replies, what do you mean?, as h now also starts to feel the pains of Hell. Mike yells " Why didn't you tell me, that looking at porn was adultery that looking at others having sex and the like, and me lusting was against God, and made me an adulterer, why didn't you tell me, you were my friend and did you not know this, why did you not tell me? Bill can't anwser now, his own screaming prevented him from ever hearing Mike again. Mike then screams " Only if i would have listened to Ted, who was only trying to help me, who was trying to get me to do the right thing, who was trying to prevent me from coming to this wretched place, he more then Bill was my true friend, i wish i would have listened to him.

you make a lot of assumptions about Judgment Day.

(assumptions I am unwilling to make.)

Therefore any man that has sex with another man and continues to do so, will not enter into Heaven, this is what Scriptures teach,

That is not what the Scriptures teach - although you contend they do so.

The Scriptures do not teach this about faithful, monogamous gay relationship.

Bless you on your way.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
We Trust God that Scriptures is True, and that Many will not enter into Life, but Many will enter into death, We trust God that only a few will find that narrow and difficult path that leads to life. Therefore if you know where this path is, and how to get on it, why would you not inform others also, so that they may get of the wide path and get on the path that leads to righteousness,

Brother, I am glad you have walked the path that you have walked. Obviously it's been fruitful for you. Do you not realize that there are millions of us who walk that path as well, but find no need to make others walk the steps exactly the way we do? Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God....later

Is it not written:

Col:2:6: As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

2Thes:3:6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

1Jn:1:7: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

So then there is only ONE way to walk, not how i walk, nor how anyone else walks, but only how Christ walked. you say that there are millions of us that walk that path, but i will tell you the Truth, there are billions who THINK they are walking on that path, and are not according to Scriptures.

Anyone that obeys their flesh and commits sin is not walking on that path, we know this because it is written:

Gal:5:16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2Pt:2:10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Rom:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom:8:13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

i could put many, many more verses which say the same thing, but these should suffice. Therefore my question to you is this, how many of those millions that you mention above that THINK they are on that narrow and difficult path, DO obey the evil desires of their flesh and live after the flesh ? How many think they are on that path yet they continue to lie, Know you not that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire and brimstone, for it is written:

Rv:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

How many of those millions that you think are on that narrow and difficult path now? You see many THINK they are on that path to righteousness, but are not on it, they are on the wide path and not the narrow path, who do you think will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, but those who THOUGHT they were on the narrow path, but weren't?

IN His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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