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Can a christian be inhabited by a demon?

Can a christian be inhabited by a demon?

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Natsumi Lam

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Hi Family,

Without going into details about deliverance practices, which violates the rules, can you please provide bible verses to support your position?

Please move this if i am in the wrong forum...my apologies.

~Natsumi Lam~
 
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I do not think so. Our body is like a house. I do not believe a demon can be inside while the Holy Spirit is a resident of your body? It can only come into your body if it is an empty house? I can not back this up by scripture, I am sorry. I do believe that we still have our fleshly desires. Many times we can think satan is in us, because of the bad which we do but it is not satan, its our flesh… But I can be wrong of course and I can not back this up with the Bible so I am sorry if this is useless to you and I understand then
 
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I do believe that a fake christian can and even IS possessed by a demon. The Bible clearly states that we should be able to recognize the different spirits. There is also written there shall be fake teachers, fake prophets. I am sure they claim and even believe themself, to be a christian.
There for I can not answer the poll because in my opinion the only right answer is: it depends
 
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Hi Family,

Without going into details about deliverance practices, which violates the rules, can you please provide bible verses to support your position?

Please move this if i am in the wrong forum...my apologies.

~Natsumi Lam~
I don't care for deliverance practices...I've seen this on Christian TV.

I do believe in exorcism but I don't know the forum rules regading this and will also abstain.

A Christian can be oppressed by a demon spirit, but he cannot be possessed by a demon spirit. We don't need anyone to remove oppression....only our strength and belief in God.
Not that it needs to be so strong,,,but if it's active, spirits will not hang around for long.

What I mean by spirits is an evil thought, or deed, etc.
These are inspired by the evil one...it doesn't mean they're actually PRESENT.

I can't think of any verses off-hand.
There is one parable about a clean house being inhabited by evil spirits....our house should never be "cleaned out" but inhabited by the Holy Spirit.

P.S. @Tolworth John has the scripture in post. no. 4
 
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Hi Family,

Without going into details about deliverance practices, which violates the rules, can you please provide bible verses to support your position?

Please move this if i am in the wrong forum...my apologies.

~Natsumi Lam~
John 8:36 "If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed." We have dominion and authority so a demon has no legal right to inhabit a christian IF such a think even exists. Luke 10:19 "I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you."
 
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2 Corinthians 12:7 (KJV)
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

James 4:7 (KJV)
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

John 13:2 (KJV)
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

Acts 5:3 (KJV)
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The realm the devil seems to work in is the mind, body and heart. The devil cannot possess a born again believer, but certainly can and will oppress if a believer is not submitted and resisting. In the book of Mark I once counted 14 instances of healings or miracles, and 6 instances where Jesus delivered someone.
 
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I think it is significant that the New Testament epistles give no instructions about exorcising demons from Christians. Many of the Christians in the new churches came from pagan backgrounds and had participated in pagan rituals and occult arts, and some of them would have been indwelt by demons at the time of their conversion. But there is a deafening silence in the epistles about rooting demons out of Christians. Considering that the epistles contain large sections aimed at building young Christians up in their faith, I think the absence of instructions about exorcism is very telling.

For example, when Paul instructed Timothy about how to pastor the church at Ephesus, he wrote: Set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity. Devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. (1 Timothy 4:12-13)

And when writing to the whole church at Ephesus and Colossae, he commanded believers to put to death the works of their sinful nature, to walk in love and holiness, to let the word of Christ dwell in their hearts, to pray without ceasing, to teach and admonish one another, to keep assembling together, to sing praise & thanks to God, etc. For those who were already Christians the emphasis was on daily persistent effort and gradual progress rather than the need for an anointed minister to perform some 'magic' over Christians to enable them to progress.
 
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First I heard of this.

Actually, I can't see it anymore in the Bible. Must be my faulty memory.

But one thing I'm sure how a Christian can have a demon - is by living according to the principles of this world that is corrupted by the devil. Their lifestyle proves it, not what they say, even if they say they don't care for the things of this world.

If you don't care for the things of this, why have more than is needed? They are just lying to themselves.

Love of money is possible the #1 way demons get into a person. Many Christians don't know they love money. Simple test. If they don't love money, they will probably use it to help the less fortunate brothers and sisters instead of using it to buy much more than they need.
 
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Yes you can have demons, some say you can't be possesed as christian, but still you can have demons inside doing something in some area. I have been delivered from spirits a long while after converting. Experienced in deliverance pastors would tell you the same.

It's a lot harded for demons to enter once you are christian, but you can have demons that entered before you were. They just don't leave when you convert. Maybe God delivers you of something when you do but not all.
 
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I do not think so. Our body is like a house. I do not believe a demon can be inside while the Holy Spirit is a resident of your body? It can only come into your body if it is an empty house? I can not back this up by scripture, I am sorry.
I'm sorry Jim, but you have fallen for one of the most pernicious false doctrines, one that has been consistently and endlessly taught throughout the body of Christ to its great detriment.
And the reason you can't back it from scripture is that it is completely unscriptural!
It is pernicious on several counts, the primary one being that it leaves Christians completely defenceless and vulnerable to very real demonic attack.
And yes, I can back it up from scripture that demons can, and regularly do, enter and indwell in the same place where the Spirit of God indwells.-

That fact is demonstrated in Ezekiel by the demon inspired pagan idols placed by the Jewish leaders inside the temple of the Lord in Jerusalem, right where the Spirit of the Lord dwelt.
This parallels the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the temple of our physical bodies.

Yes, the Holy Spirit eventually departed, but that happened long after they put their idols in the temple.

To understand the whole story in context you need to read Ezekiel 8 through to 11, but here are some extracts.
For reference, Ezekiel was one of the early captives taken to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar. In these passages the Lord takes him in vision back to Jerusalem to see how detestable the idolatry had become in its take over of the temple. (And we know from 1Cor 10v20 that behind every pagan idol is a resident demon masquerading as one of the various gods.)
Ezekiel 8v3He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he took me to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood. 4And there before me was the glory of the God of Israel, as in the vision I had seen in the plain.
The Glory of the God of Israel identifies that the Spirit of the Lord was very much in residence there, and Ezekiel is shown the first idol, also in residence there.

5Then he said to me, “Son of man, look toward the north.” So I looked, and in the entrance north of the gate of the altar I saw this idol of jealousy.
6And he said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing—the utterly detestable things the Israelites are doing here, things that will drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see things that are even more detestable.”

Take note the future tense of the Lord departing the temple!
The Lord then commands him in the vision to dig a hole in the wall and see what else was going on inside.-
8v10So I went in and looked, and I saw portrayed all over the walls all kinds of crawling things and unclean animals and all the idols of Israel. 11In front of them stood seventy elders of Israel, and Jaazaniah son of Shaphan was standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising.
The Lord takes him further.-
8v14Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. (Tammuz was one of the main Babylonian gods.)
The Lord's tour around the paganised temple goes on through chapters 9, 10 &11 until the Lord takes his leave of the temple.

Moving on from Ezekiel.
I am showing this because it shows Satan approaching the Lord wherever his throne was.
Job1v6One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
You can read the rest of that dialogue in Job, but again it makes a nonsense of the idea that Satan cannot be anywhere God dwells.

I do believe that we still have our fleshly desires. Many times we can think satan is in us, because of the bad which we do but it is not satan, its our flesh… But I can be wrong of course and I can not back this up with the Bible so I am sorry if this is useless to you and I understand then
You are right here in that we have free choices to do evil, but invariably when we follow our flesh and make evil choices, that decision opens the door and lays out a welcome mat for the entry of demons.
 
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I'm sorry Jim, but you have fallen for one of the most pernicious false doctrines, one that has been consistently and endlessly taught throughout the body of Christ to its great detriment.
And the reason you can't back it from scripture is that it is completely unscriptural!
It is pernicious on several counts, the primary one being that it leaves Christians completely defenceless and vulnerable to very real demonic attack.
And yes, I can back it up from scripture that demons can, and regularly do, enter and indwell in the same place where the Spirit of God indwells.-

That fact is demonstrated in Ezekiel by the demon inspired pagan idols placed by the Jewish leaders inside the temple of the Lord in Jerusalem, right where the Spirit of the Lord dwelt.
This parallels the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the temple of our physical bodies.

Yes, the Holy Spirit eventually departed, but that happened long after they put their idols in the temple.

To understand the whole story in context you need to read Ezekiel 8 through to 11, but here are some extracts.
For reference, Ezekiel was one of the early captives taken to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar. In these passages the Lord takes him in vision back to Jerusalem to see how detestable the idolatry had become in its take over of the temple. (And we know from 1Cor 10v20 that behind every pagan idol is a resident demon masquerading as one of the various gods.)
Ezekiel 8v3He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he took me to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood. 4And there before me was the glory of the God of Israel, as in the vision I had seen in the plain.
The Glory of the God of Israel identifies that the Spirit of the Lord was very much in residence there, and Ezekiel is shown the first idol, also in residence there.

5Then he said to me, “Son of man, look toward the north.” So I looked, and in the entrance north of the gate of the altar I saw this idol of jealousy.
6And he said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing—the utterly detestable things the Israelites are doing here, things that will drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see things that are even more detestable.”

Take note the future tense of the Lord departing the temple!
The Lord then commands him in the vision to dig a hole in the wall and see what else was going on inside.-
8v10So I went in and looked, and I saw portrayed all over the walls all kinds of crawling things and unclean animals and all the idols of Israel. 11In front of them stood seventy elders of Israel, and Jaazaniah son of Shaphan was standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising.
The Lord takes him further.-
8v14Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. (Tammuz was one of the main Babylonian gods.)
The Lord's tour around the paganised temple goes on through chapters 9, 10 &11 until the Lord takes his leave of the temple.

Moving on from Ezekiel.
I am showing this because it shows Satan approaching the Lord wherever his throne was.
Job1v6One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
You can read the rest of that dialogue in Job, but again it makes a nonsense of the idea that Satan cannot be anywhere God dwells.


You are right here in that we have free choices to do evil, but invariably when we follow our flesh and make evil choices, that decision opens the door and lays out a welcome mat for the entry of demons.
The Holy Spirit didn’t permenantly I dwell anyone in the Old Testament
 
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The Holy Spirit didn’t permenantly I dwell anyone in the Old Testament
Whether that's true or not, its certainly irrelevant to what I said.
The statement was effectively made that demons and the Holy Spirit cannot coexist in the same place. My post demonstrated that they can and do.

Apart from that, in 40 odd years of doing deliverance, it has always been Christians that I have cast demons out of. And I can tell you that it changes lives.
 
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I think it is significant that the New Testament epistles give no instructions about exorcising demons from Christians.
That's hardly relevant when you consider that every single letter in the NT is written as a ministry to the saints, not to the unbelievers.
ie. Like all the other gifts and ministries, deliverance was for setting the humble free, ie. the saints, those already born from above.
But seeing that you insist that casting demons out is reserved for non believers, would you like to explain how you operate that ministry of deliverance for these non believers, and how they respond to all that deliverance?
Many of the Christians in the new churches came from pagan backgrounds and had participated in pagan rituals and occult arts, and some of them would have been indwelt by demons at the time of their conversion.
Absolutely true. Thus once they had surrendered themselves to the Lord, ie. afterwards not before, all the other demonic garbage needed to be thrown out.
But there is a deafening silence in the epistles about rooting demons out of Christians. Considering that the epistles contain large sections aimed at building young Christians up in their faith, I think the absence of instructions about exorcism is very telling.
Haha.
You need to understand that the average person knew all about evil spirits back then. They didn't have multiple generations worth of enlightenment teaching that spirits and demons were just mythology.
In most third world outreaches, demonology is an essential ministry for new converts and they expect it.
It is our western world theology that's out of kilter with scripture and spiritual reality.
For example, when Paul instructed Timothy about how to pastor the church at Ephesus, he wrote: Set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity. Devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. (1 Timothy 4:12-13)
And just how does that help your argument?
And when writing to the whole church at Ephesus and Colossae, he commanded believers to put to death the works of their sinful nature, to walk in love and holiness, to let the word of Christ dwell in their hearts, to pray without ceasing, to teach and admonish one another, to keep assembling together, to sing praise & thanks to God, etc.
And just how does the above help your argument against deliverance?
There is a saying, "Absence of evidence, is no evidence of absence". Do you understand what that means, because it applies to your scripture quotes.
For those who were already Christians the emphasis was on daily persistent effort and gradual progress rather than the need for an anointed minister to perform some 'magic' over Christians to enable them to progress.
Calling the deliverance ministry "magic" just shows ignorance. It also shows a deep distain for the commandment of the Lord Jesus.
Mark16v16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; ……
Does the above scripture describe what happens around you or in your church, if not, why not?
Jesus warned against those who by their traditions made the word of God to no effect!
 
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Whether that's true or not, its certainly irrelevant to what I said.
The statement was effectively made that demons and the Holy Spirit cannot coexist in the same place. My post demonstrated that they can and do.

Apart from that, in 40 odd years of doing deliverance, it has always been Christians that I have cast demons out of. And I can tell you that it changes lives.
Well actually I disagree. If the Holy Spirit indwells us permenantly, then a demon cannot be there.

I think there are false spirits that people can mistakenly take on thinking it is God.
 
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I think there is written that in light can dwell no darkness. And in darkness no light. But I do not know for sure if that has anything to do with it. I would find it weird that there is written that the Spirit and our flesh are in constant battle but that you say that the Spirit and satan can be in constant battle? If I understand you right? Where there is light, there can be no darkness. Where there is God there is no room for satan. I do believe that people can be delivered from satan and that they can be infected by even more demons, like there is written. When a place is empty it invites even more demons to come in there. But I do not believe it is possible for a demon to enter a christian that has the Holy Spirit. If you have delivered "christians" from satan then they did not have the Holy Spirit in the first place in my opinion. But yes, I could be wrong of course. But you can be wrong also.
 
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Another thing that is difficult to understand for me is that you say that when we do bad things that it opens the door for satan to come in. If that is true, then you also have a demon inside you. I have a demon inside me then, well to be honest, we all have a demon inside us then. But Jesus said: My Father has given you to me and NO ONE can get you out of My hand. God also says that we are HIS property when we have the Holy Spirit. It is weird that you say that when God bought us, thru the blood of Christ and gave us to Christ in His hand, that it still is possible that satan gets us out of His hand. In my opinion that goes against scripture? But I do not know of course. But if it is possible what you say, it is also possible that satan can get us out of Christs hand. And then Jesus was lying when He said that NO ONE could get us out of His hand.
 
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