Calvinist Robots

[Rick Otto]

Can someone please put to rest the notion that predestination turns humans into robots?

 

[christianmomof3]

Are you sure it does not?

 

[Rick Otto]

Do robots have emotion?

 

[christianmomof3]

 

[Uphill Battle]

well, this one did. But he's an android, so maybe that doesn't apply.

 

[MamaZ]

I agree this robot or puppet on a string is quite an exageration.

 

[Rick Otto]

Intimacy issues with God, I'm thinking.
Identity crisis of some kind... gotta put my finger on the annoying thing.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do robots have emotion?

What, you never watched "I Robot"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAoBKagWQA

 

[chestertonrules]

Can someone please put to rest the notion that predestination turns humans into robots?

If our eternal destiny is already chosen by God before we are born, then we are robots. We can only do what we are programmed to do. This is Calvinism.

What's to disagree with?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If our eternal destiny is already chosen by God before we are born, then we are robots. We can only do what we are programmed to do. This is Calvinism.

What's to disagree with?

Were the Apostles predestined and did they have a choice to follow JESUS when He told them "follow Me".

[RNKV] Mark 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

 

[chestertonrules]

Were the Apostles predestined and did they have a choice to follow JESUS when He told them "follow Me".

[RNKV] Mark 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

Apparently so. See: Judas



That being said, I agree that God can choose individuals for specific roles.

 

[Rick Otto]

If our eternal destiny is already chosen by God before we are born, then we are robots. We can only do what we are programmed to do. This is Calvinism.

What's to disagree with?

The "then we are robots" part.

 

[chestertonrules]

The "then we are robots" part.

Do you agree that with regard to eternity, we can only do what we are programmed to do?

For example, can someone programmed for Hell go to Heaven?

 

[Celticflower]

*subscribing

 

[Tzaousios]

As to whether or not the disciples had a choice to follow Jesus or not, how do we interpret the following passage? Jesus has just finished telling them that he is the Bread of Life:

John 6:60-68

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Apparently, from the context of this instance, true spiritual discipleship is granted by God, just as is forgiveness, repentance, and faith.

 

[Evergreen48]

Do robots have emotion?

No. That is one of the reasons why the Calvinistic doctrine is so unlikely. On the one hand its tenants declare that we are robots, while on the other hand those who subscribe to these same tenants deny this to be true. It is a house divided against itself. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No. That is one of the reasons why the Calvinistic doctrine is so unlikely. On the one hand its tenants declare that we are robots, while on the other hand those who subscribe to these same tenants deny this to be true. It is a house divided against itself. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

Sounds a lot like the GT board

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

Do robots have emotion?
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No. That is one of the reasons why the Calvinistic doctrine is so unlikely. On the one hand its tenants declare that we are robots, while on the other hand those who subscribe to these same tenants deny this to be true. It is a house divided against itself. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

But wait!
I believe predestination AND I DON'T declare we are robots - we do have emotion!
Can I stand now?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

Do robots have emotion?
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But wait!
I believe predestination AND I DON'T declare we are robots!
Can I stand now?

At what period of time in one's life does a person come to know that he is predestined?

 

[chestertonrules]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

Do robots have emotion?
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But wait!
I believe predestination AND I DON'T declare we are robots!
Can I stand now?

You deny that Calvinistic dogma turns men into robots because it makes you uncomfortable.

You didn't answer my question, either.

Can a man PROGRAMMED for HELL go to HEAVEN?