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Do you believe that willful disobedience has no impact on our salvation?
I cannot say or justify that loving them means calling them totally depraved or sentencing them to automatically fry alive forever without requite is scriptural, right or equals anything similar to LOVING them. K? And I consider that anyone who does so is a slave of darkness who needs a little light. Nothing personal.
Here we are back to the logics of man when Gods thoughts are so much higher than ours and So are His ways.I thought I was pretty clear about asking you not to guess. NO, I am not a 'unitarian universalist.'
I accept every eternal torment/wrath scripture. Maybe not like you do however. If you want to know what I believe, just ASK first. It's a lot easier. I also adhere to the Nicene Creed.
I don't know or care what the unitarian universalists believe. I know they are not christians in the N.Creed sense of the word.
Nope. Next guess?
The Lake of Fire is being prepared if not done already and it will have tormented occupants forever and ever
. And who would these occupants be? The devil and His demons? People who do not have Christ?
I certainly believe God saves people POST death, and also PRE-death.
After death comes the Judgment..
Nope. And I don't understand the desire to put me in some other peoples theological cans. The field is vastly more interesting and vastly more (superior) positions are available. And the field of good minds continues to grow even within the groups you mention.
And no again. I don't believe in 'freewill.' I already told you several posts ago I'm more 'determinist' than Calvinism.
Great. Thanks for asking.
I believe all vessels of honor will be saved and will go to heaven and receive MERCY.
I believe all vessels of DIShonor already have wrath abiding upon them and they are all eventually going to the Lake of Fire.
And I believe that in every single individual lump of mankind/me that both vessels exist and are predestined on that basis.
How's that?
Too many scriptures to substantiate to cite. Take a small bite and see if you can digest logically.
enjoy!
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Do you believe that salvation can be revoked when it is a gift from God and not of works?Do you believe that willful disobedience has no impact on our salvation?
Unless on understands that all born are locked into sin one will not be able to understand predestination as the scriptures teach us.
Do you believe that salvation can be revoked when it is a gift from God and not of works?
If it was future it would read will conform will justify and will glorify. It does not read that way. It reads as already done.
Since I do not believe that one's soteriological viewpoint is a sign of salvation, I would suspect that there will be more than a couple of Calvinists who, while they express belief in the doctrines of grace, are not covered by the blood of Christ.
I really don't see how that would affect anyone's soteriological position. But then as you have suggested, I can't read your mind. Unfortunately I can't understand your posts either.
Depraved is a condition of the soul, not a name that Calvinists call people.
It would be nice if people actually spoke to what we believe rather than create strawmen and speak to those.
Not to try to be critical, but that sounds a bit spiritually schizophrenic to me. But I guess that's just ME.One of those reasons I laid out to you just a couple posts ago. In each 'lump' called ME there are TWO VESSELS. One to honor and mercy and one to dishonor and wrath.
You on the other hand look at a person and only see ONE vessel, which is a simplistic and innaccurate view.
Actually I'm just trying to figure out your rather interesting theological positions. Perhaps you could point me to some theological work wherein the soteriological positions you have taken here are spelled out.Then I'd suggest you spend some time in reading and making reasoned responses with specifics if you want to apply critique.
By all means tell me how the condition of the soul is not the same as the person.
You call people totally depraved one way or another so don't try and deny it.
It was all one thought. Breaking it up like this makes no sense.
I don't call anyone anything.
What I do is acknowledge what God has said about the nature of man since the fall.
The nature of all men, until God, himself, decides to change it.
Not to try to be critical, but that sounds a bit spiritually schizophrenic to me. But I guess that's just ME.
No it isn't! It's me!
Actually I'm just trying to figure out your rather interesting theological positions.
Perhaps you could point me to some theological work wherein the soteriological positions you have taken here are spelled out.
Do you have any works or internet articles or anything else where this "Two Vessels in Each Person" theory is propounded... I mean, besides yourself?
Finally, I have a question. If there are two vessels inside each person, does God destroy the dishonorable vessel in the judgment and then everyone's honorable vessel is then admitted into heaven?
Is that the way this thing works?
Dalmas
Does that mean I'm on the road to Hell?Yer certainly gettin' warmer.
enjoy!
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Don't sugar coat it. Tell it straight.Anyone who states differently is a pelagian heretic.
I call man bad and evil and depraved because scripture makes it clear that before the Lord calls us to him we are. There are no good guys and bad guys, its bad guys and Jesus thats it.
Anyone who states differently is a pelagian heretic.
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