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All men are condemned before God.He just chooses some to save. It is mans sin that predestines them to Hell not God.. God in His mercy chooses some out of condemnation for salvation.
This is interesting. That ISA interlinear parses the greek and it used the word "fore-seeses" in that verse. May work on this some moreWe did not say that He chose some for eternal punishment.. He chose those to whom He gives salvation to..
Rom 8:29 because whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 But whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Yep. About the time the "heavens and land" are changedand we haven't been conformed yet so it has to be future
If it was future it would read will conform will justify and will glorify. It does not read that way. It reads as already done.and we haven't been conformed yet so it has to be future
Here's your dilemma (and the ultimate Arminian dilemma) squint;
God created all those people who eventually end up in Hell.
God obviously knew at the time he created them that they would end up in hell.
But God created them anyway.
Is THIS the God you know?
IF my unsaved neighbors are blinded by the 'god of this world' then I will PRAY for their release and condemn the power that blinds and binds them and I will LOVE them in any case.
I knew that.
I've told you already I'm not an arminian. And for the record, there is not one whit of scriptural evidence of any named person who is said to be headed to hell, NOR is there a single named person in the entirety of the Bible ever threatened with such a fate.
Problem?
enjoy!
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Thank you for your response. I am still a bit puzzled by your theological stand.
Correct me if I am wrong, but your post seems to express a more or less Universalist Unitarian point of view.
If I read your post right, you seem to believe one of the following ideas:
1) All men will (eventually be saved) and no man will ever be sent to hell (Unitarian Universalist)
2) God may send some people to hell, but he really didn't know who they were when he created them, and still doesn't really know because God does not really know the future (Open Theology)
3) There really isn't such a place as Hell. When those who are not saved die, they will just be erased from existence (Jehovah's Witnesses)
4) When "good" people who did not repent and follow Christ die, they don't really go to hell, they go to a place where they can work off their sins until they are holy enough to enter into presence of God (Catholic)
5) There really isn't a Hell, just different degrees of heaven. There is, however, a place where devils and ex-mormons will be sent, but the number is very few and everyone else will go to some degree of heaven. (Mormon)
5) God really wants to save everyone, but because he gave men the "gift" of "free will", God is powerless to save people unless they are good enough or smart enough and holy enough to receive the gift of salvation that is offered to all men. (Catholic/Arminian)
So in order to have a meaningful discussion on this issue, perhaps you could tell me exactly which camp best describes your position on soteriology.
I heard the marina is still under construction.The Lake of Fire is being prepared if not done already and it will have tormented occupants forever and ever.
Seems to me that your soteriological position is simply "ANTI-CALVIN"How's that?
enjoy!
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Seems to me that your soteriological position appears to be simply "Anti-Calvinist"
Other than that I can't seem to make any sense of it.
Since I do not believe that one's soteriological viewpoint is a sign of salvation, I would suspect that there will be more than a couple of Calvinists who, while they express belief in the doctrines of grace, are not covered by the blood of Christ.I certainly do NOT believe that a single Calvinist will burn alive in hell if that's what you're inferring?
I largely base my beliefs on actually loving my neighbors as myself and justifying same scripturally.
I really don't see how that would affect anyone's soteriological position. But then as you have suggested, I can't read your mind. Unfortunately I can't understand your posts either.
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